Proving a Subgroup: Homework Statement

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The discussion revolves around proving that a certain set is a subgroup within the context of contemporary abstract algebra. The participants are examining the conditions necessary for a subset to satisfy the subgroup test, particularly focusing on the centralizer of a subgroup.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the steps of the subgroup test, including defining properties, non-emptiness, and closure under group operations. There is an emphasis on showing specific equalities involving elements of the group and their inverses.

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The conversation has progressed through various attempts to clarify the necessary steps for proving the subgroup property. Some participants have provided guidance on specific equalities that need to be demonstrated, while others express uncertainty about their reasoning. There is no explicit consensus on the final outcome, but productive dialogue is ongoing.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the depth of exploration and the completeness of their reasoning. There are indications of potential misunderstandings regarding the assumptions needed for the subgroup test.

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Homework Statement



I got this question from contemporary abstract algebra :

http://gyazo.com/7a9e3f0603d1c0dcfde256e7b05276cd

Homework Equations



One step subgroup test :
1. Find my defining property.
2. Show that my potential subgroup is non-empty.
3. Assume that we have some a and b in our potential subgroup.
4. Prove that ab-1 is in our potential subgroup.

The Attempt at a Solution



1. Defining property : xh = hx for x in G and for all h in H.
2. C(H) ≠ ∅ because the identity element e is in C(H) and satisfies xe = ex.
3. Suppose a and b are in C(H), then xa = ax and xb = bx.

4. Show that ab-1 is in H whenever a and b are in H. So we want : xab-1 = ab-1x

Start with :

xa = ax
x(ab-1) = (ax)b-1
x(ab-1) = (xa)b-1
x(ab-1) = x(ab-1)
x(ab-1) = (ab-1)x

I know this is probably horribly wrong, but for some reason I can't seem to see how to do this properly. Any help would be appreciated.
 
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Zondrina said:

Homework Statement



I got this question from contemporary abstract algebra :

http://gyazo.com/7a9e3f0603d1c0dcfde256e7b05276cd

Homework Equations



One step subgroup test :
1. Find my defining property.
2. Show that my potential subgroup is non-empty.
3. Assume that we have some a and b in our potential subgroup.
4. Prove that ab-1 is in our potential subgroup.

The Attempt at a Solution



1. Defining property : xh = hx for x in G and for all h in H.
2. C(H) ≠ ∅ because the identity element e is in C(H) and satisfies xe = ex.
3. Suppose a and b are in C(H), then xa = ax and xb = bx.

4. Show that ab-1 is in H whenever a and b are in H. So we want : xab-1 = ab-1x

Start with :

xa = ax
x(ab-1) = (ax)b-1
x(ab-1) = (xa)b-1
x(ab-1) = x(ab-1)
x(ab-1) = (ab-1)x

I know this is probably horribly wrong, but for some reason I can't seem to see how to do this properly. Any help would be appreciated.

You skipped a step. You need to show that if bx=xb then b^(-1)x=xb^(-1). You can't just assume it.
 
Dick said:
You skipped a step. You need to show that if bx=xb then b^(-1)x=xb^(-1). You can't just assume it.

Ahhhh so it would be a sort of two step thing here.

First we want to show xb-1 = b-1x. So :

xb = bx
b-1xbb-1 = b-1bxb-1
b-1xe = exb-1
b-1x = xb-1

Now we can show that xab-1 = ab-1x. So :

xa = ax
x(ab-1) = a(xb-1)
x(ab-1) = (ab-1)x
 
Zondrina said:
Ahhhh so it would be a sort of two step thing here.

First we want to show xb-1 = b-1x. So :

xb = bx
b-1xbb-1 = b-1bxb-1
b-1xe = exb-1
b-1x = xb-1

Now we can show that xab-1 = ab-1x. So :

xa = ax
x(ab-1) = a(xb-1)
x(ab-1) = (ab-1)x

Yes, that's it.
 
Dick said:
Yes, that's it.

So we could conclude that C(H) ≤ G as desired. Thanks a bundle for your help :)
 

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