Proving a sum of three squared terms, cyclic in #a,b,c#, is equal to 1

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The discussion centers on proving the equation involving three squared terms under the condition that a + b + c = 0. Participants express difficulties in simplifying the left-hand side and suggest various algebraic manipulations, including substitutions and factoring techniques. One user proposes a method involving inverting fractions to simplify the equation, while another emphasizes the need for a more elegant solution. Ultimately, the conversation highlights the complexity of the problem and the exploration of different strategies to arrive at the proof. The problem remains a challenging exercise in algebraic manipulation.
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Homework Statement
If ##a+b+c=0##, show that ##\boxed{\frac{a^2}{2a^2+bc}+\frac{b^2}{2b^2+ca}+\frac{c^2}{2c^2+ab}=1}##
Relevant Equations
1. If ##a+b+c=0##, then ##a^2+2ab+b^2=c^2##
2. If ##a+b+c=0##, then ##a^2+b^2+c^2=-2(ab+bc+ca)## (not sure how useful this would be)
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Problem statement :
I copy and paste the statement of the problem from the text.
(Given ##\boldsymbol{a+b+c=0}##)

Attempt : I am afraid I couldn't make any meaningful progress. With ##a = -(b+c)##, I substituted for ##a## in the whole of the L.H.S, both numerators and denominators. I multiplied the denominators and multiplied the numerators by the "other" denominators, much as we would do for the case ##\dfrac{A}{X}+\dfrac{B}{Y}+\dfrac{C}{Z} = \dfrac{AYZ+BZX+CXY}{XYZ}##. That gave me three terms with sizable numbers of terms in the numerator and denominator, ranging from ##b^6\rightarrow c^6## and terms of decreasing and increasing powers of ##b,c## respectively in them. It was clumsy and tedious, not to mention that I didn't obtain the answer 1 due to what must be an error somewhere. I am certain there must be a better way to do the problem.

Request : Not having done my fair share, I would be happy for the barest of hints in the right direction to get me going.
 
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Looks like ##(a+b+c)^2=a^2+b^2+c^2+2ab+2ac+2bc## could be of help. Those problems usually need a tricky algebraic rephrasing, e.g. by considering ##(a+1)(b+1)(c+1)## instead.
 
If I see that 1+1-2=0 and then the first term (your A/X) does not exist, it seems to me you haven' t given us the complete problem statement.

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And I don' see 6th powers emerging ?
 
BvU said:
If I see that 1+1-2=0 and then the first term ( your X) does not exist, it seems to me you haven' t given us the complete problem statement.

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Please see Problem 16 below taken from the text.

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BvU said:
And I don' see 6th powers emerging ?

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I don't know how clear it is. You will see terms like ##-4b^6## and ##-2c^6## in the last line.
 
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Homework Statement:: If ##a+b+c=0##, show that ##\boxed{\frac{a^2}{2a^2+bc}+\frac{b^2}{2b^2+ca}+\frac{c^2}{2c^2+ab}=1}##
Relevant Equations:: 1. If ##a+b+c=0##, then ##a^2+2ab+b^2=c^2##
2. If ##a+b+c=0##, then ##a^2+b^2+c^2=-2(ab+bc+ca)## (not sure how useful this would be)

View attachment 296002Problem statement : I copy and paste the statement of the problem from the text.
(Given ##\boldsymbol{a+b+c=0}##)

Attempt : I am afraid I couldn't make any meaningful progress. With ##a = -(b+c)##, I substituted for ##a## in the whole of the L.H.S, both numerators and denominators. I multiplied the denominators and multiplied the numerators by the "other" denominators, much as we would do for the case ##\dfrac{A}{X}+\dfrac{B}{Y}+\dfrac{C}{Z} = \dfrac{AYZ+BZX+CXY}{XYZ}##. That gave me three terms with sizable numbers of terms in the numerator and denominator, ranging from ##b^6\rightarrow c^6## and terms of decreasing and increasing powers of ##b,c## respectively in them. It was clumsy and tedious, not to mention that I didn't obtain the answer 1 due to what must be an error somewhere. I am certain there must be a better way to do the problem.

Request : Not having done my fair share, I would be happy for the barest of hints in the right direction to get me going.
Well, that's just plain nasty. I'm only commenting to follow.
 
brotherbobby said:
Please see Problem 16 below taken from the text.

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I don't know how clear it is. You will see terms like ##-4b^6## and ##-2c^6## in the last line.
I think you have to be a bit smarter. I took ##c = -(a + b)##. And took the third term over to the RHS. I.e. show that $$A + B = 1 - C$$It then looked easier to invert the two fractions and show that $$\frac{1}{A + B} = \frac 1 {1-C}$$That got rid of some factors and the rest was not too bad.

I can't see a quick and easy way to do it, although there must be one.
 
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PeroK said:
I think you have to be a bit smarter. I took ##c = -(a + b)##. And took the third term over to the RHS. I.e. show that $$A + B = 1 - C$$It then looked easier to invert the two fractions and show that $$\frac{1}{A + B} = \frac 1 {1-C}$$That got rid of some factors and the rest was not too bad.

I can't see a quick and easy way to do it, although there must be one.
It almost seems like the pattern of the equation suggests a "trick".
 
brotherbobby said:
I don't know how clear it is. You will see terms like ##-4b^6## and ##-2c^6## in the last line.
Ah, it's because of the substitution of ##a##, is suppose

What about ##(a,b,c)=(1,1,-2) ## that has ##a+b+c=0## but no ##a^2 \over 2a^2+bc## as far as I can tell ?

I must be wrong, because here it gets a result of ##1##, too !

Anyway,
brotherbobby said:
Not having done my fair share
I'd say you definitely have done your fair share !

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My path of least resistance was to work out your ##AYZ+BZX+CXY=XYZ## starting with the LHS :$$\begin{align*}
&a^2(2b^2+ca)(2c^2+ab)+b^2(2a^2+bc)(2c^2+ab)+c^2(2a^2+bc)(2b^2+ca)\quad=\\
&a^2(4b^2c^2+2b^3a+2c^3a+a^bc) \quad+\\
&b^2(4a^2c^2+2a^3b+2c^3b+ab^2c)+\quad\\
&c^2(4a^2b^2+2a^3c+2b^3c+abc^2)\qquad=\\
&12a^2b^2c^2+4b^3a^3+4c^3a^3+4c^3b^3+a^4bc+b^4ac+c^4ab\end{align*}
$$and for the RHS: XYZ=$$\begin{align*}
&(2a^2+bc)(2b^2+ca)(2c^2+ab)\quad=\\
&(2a^2+bc)(4b^2c^2+2c^3a+2b^3a+a^2bc)\quad=\\
&8a^2b^2c^2 + 4c^3a^3 + 4b^3a^3 + 2a^4bc\quad + \\
&\qquad 4b^3c^3 + 2abc^4 + 2b^4ac + a^2b^2c^2\end{align*}
$$Remove equal terms left and right and collect to get LHS=RHS##\Leftrightarrow## $$
\begin{align*}
3a^2b^2c^2 &=a^4bc+b^4ac+c^4ab\\
3abc&=a^3+b^3+c^3
\end{align*}
$$now it seems a good time to substitute ##a=-(b+c)\Rightarrow a^3 = -(b^3+3b^2c+3bc^2+c^3) ## :$$
\begin{align*}
-3(b+c)bc &\stackrel{?}{=} -(b+c)^3 +b^3+c^3 \\

-3b^2c-3bc^2 &\stackrel{?}{=} -3b^2c-3bc^2
\end{align*}$$which concludes things.

But it's brute force and dumb work, so I sure look forward to seeing the quickest way !

Nevertheless, nice exercise (apart from the ##(1,1,-2)#3 and such :smile: ) !

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Here's an idea. Still messy, but the best I can do. All of these steps are backwards implications (or "enough to show"):
$$\frac{a^2}{2a^2 +bc} + \frac{b^2}{2b^2 +ac} = \frac{c^2 + ab}{2c^2 +ab}$$Now invert both sides:
$$\Leftarrow \ \frac{(2a^2 +bc)(2b^2 + ac)}{a^2(2b^2 +ac) + b^2(2b^2 +bc)} = \frac{2c^2 + ab}{c^2 +ab}$$$$\Leftarrow \ \frac{4a^2b^2 + 2c(a^3 + b^3) + abc^2}{4a^2b^2 + c(a^3 + b^3)} = 1 + \frac{c^2}{c^2 +ab}$$$$\Leftarrow \ 1 + \frac{c(a^3 + b^3) + abc^2}{4a^2b^2 + c(a^3 + b^3)} = 1 + \frac{c^2}{c^2 +ab}$$Cancel the ##1## and invert again!
$$\Leftarrow \ \frac{4a^2b^2 + c(a^3 + b^3)}{c(a^3 + b^3) + abc^2} = \frac{c^2 +ab}{c^2}$$$$\Leftarrow \ 1 + \frac{ab(4ab - c^2)}{c(a^3 + b^3) + abc^2} = 1 + \frac{ab}{c^2}$$$$\Leftarrow \ \frac{(4ab - c^2)}{c(a^3 + b^3) + abc^2} = \frac{1}{c^2}$$$$\Leftarrow \ c(4ab - c^2)= a^3 + b^3 + abc$$And, finally, we set ##c = -(a + b)## to confirm that last equality
 
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PeroK said:
I think you have to be a bit smarter. I took ##c = -(a + b)##. And took the third term over to the RHS. I.e. show that $$A + B = 1 - C$$It then looked easier to invert the two fractions and show that $$\frac{1}{A + B} = \frac 1 {1-C}$$That got rid of some factors and the rest was not too bad.

I can't see a quick and easy way to do it, although there must be one.
I see now. It looks much nicer substituting for c = (-a -b) in all the denominators and factoring them.
 
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I have bad news. I have been trying to splve using @PeroK 's solution earlier above (post #7). I used ##c=-(a+b)## on both sides and reduced both L.H.S and R.H.S exactly as asked but am stuck.

Attempt : I present my attempt below. I hope it's readable.

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A help at the last step would be welcome.
 
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See post #10, where I did some fancy footwork to simplify the two sides!
 
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PeroK said:
See post #10, where I did some fancy footwork to simplify the two sides!
Yes @PeroK - I was trying not to see it and do it myself. I am afraid that I am now forced to take more of your help.
 
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brotherbobby said:
Yes @PeroK - I was trying not to see it and do it myself. I am afraid that I am now forced to take more of your help.
I only substituted for c in the denominators, and then factored those denominators. It resulted in three common factors, so it became really basic algebra after that, something like (2a² + b), (2b² + a), and (a - b) as factors, IIRC. I did later substitute c² as a late step before expanding everything else to show both sides were equal. It was only like five or six steps, and the expansion had cubic terms.

Quick edit: I'm just going from memory, but I don't think now that any factors had a square term, actually I'm pretty certain, so just ignore the squares.
 
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Ok. I would like to "close" this thread by doing the problem in an elegant manner. While @PeroK 's method in post #10 above did the job, a look through websites has told me that there is an elegant method to solve the problem. Additionally, I will post a second problem which can be solved by the same technique.

Original problem statement : If ##a+b+c=0##, show that $$\boxed{\frac{a^2}{2a^2+bc}+\frac{b^2}{2b^2+ca}+\frac{c^2}{2c^2+ab}=1}$$

Attempt :


Since ##a+b+c=0##, anyone of the variables is equal to "negative" of the sum of the other two.

##\begin{equation*}
\begin{split}
\text{L.H.S}& = \frac{a^2}{2a^2+bc}+\frac{b^2}{2b^2+ca}+\frac{c^2}{2c^2+ab}\\
& = \frac{a^2}{a^2-a(b+c)+bc}+\frac{b^2}{b^2-b(c+a)+ca}+\frac{c^2}{c^2-c(a+b)+ab}\\
& = \frac{a^2}{a^2-ab-ac+bc}+\frac{b^2}{b^2-bc-ab+ca)}+\frac{c^2}{c^2-ca-bc+ab}\\
& = -\left[\frac{a^2}{(a-b)(c-a)}+-\frac{b^2}{(a-b)(b-c)}+-\frac{c^2}{(b-c)(c-a)}\right]\\
& = - \left[\frac{a^2(b-c)+b^2(c-a)+c^2(a-b)}{(a-b)(c-a)(c-a)}\right]^{\mathbf{\Large *}}\\
& = \boxed{1}
\end{split}
\end{equation*}##

##\mathbf{\Large{{}^*}}## One of a series of results we have been familiar from school, which I copy and paste below. Of course they can be derived. Our equation of interest is the second in the list.

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Problem Statement (New) : If ##a+b+c=0##, show that ##\dfrac{1}{2a^2+bc}+\dfrac{1}{2b^2+ca}+\dfrac{1}{2c^2+ab}=0##

Solution : It can be solved via the same method as above. The numerator can be shown to vanish.
 
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Apologies if this repeats what others have said, but in terms I hope makes the calculation look less heavy. And apologies for being so late - but you are asked (#5) to shew this result, not to show it, which shows the question was first asked more than a century ago.

The ∑ notation for symmetric products economises somewhat the calculation and writing out the denominator:

##D = 8a^2b^2c^2 + 4∑a^3b^3 +2∑a^4bc + a^2b^2c^2##

##= 9(abc)^2 + 4∑(ab)^3 +2∑a^4bc ##. .

For the numerator we have more economy:

##N = ∑a^2(2b^2 + ac)(2c^2 + ab)##

##= ∑4abc + 2∑a^3(b^3 + c^3) + ∑a^4bc##

##= 12(abc)^2 + 4∑(ab)^3 + ∑a^4bc##

(You have to be careful about the numerical coefficients this type of calculation.)

N/D = 1 is (N - D) = 0

We have from the above

N - D = ##3(abc)^2 - Σa^4bc##

This has factor ##abc## and so we are left to show that a factor of the rest
##3abc - Σa^3##
is ##Σa = 0## which does not look very difficult though hardly obvious.

Write it out

##3abc - (a^3 + b^3 + c^3)##

##= 3abc - [ a^3 +b^3 - (a + b)^3]##

##= 3abc - [a^3 + b^3 - (a^3 + 3a^2b +3ab^2 +b^3)]##

## = 3( abc + a^2b + ab^2)##

## = 3ab(c + a + b) ##

as required.
 
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