Probability Question: At Least One of A, B & C Occurring

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The discussion revolves around calculating the probability of at least one of three events A, B, and C occurring, given specific conditions about the probabilities of combinations of these events. The problem involves understanding the relationships between these probabilities and how they relate to a Venn diagram representation of the events.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the use of symmetry in defining regions of a Venn diagram and question the validity of their assumptions about the probabilities of different regions. There is a focus on deriving equations based on the areas represented in the diagram.

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Some participants have made progress in identifying relationships between the regions of the Venn diagram and the probabilities. There is ongoing exploration of how to express the probabilities in terms of the defined regions, with some participants expressing surprise at the implications of their findings. Multiple interpretations of the problem setup are being considered.

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Participants note the potential for additional events beyond A, B, and C, which complicates the assumption that the total probability must equal one. There is also mention of specific constraints on the value of p, indicating that it must be between 0 and ½.

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Homework Statement


For the three events A, B and C, P (exactly one of the events A or B occurs) = P (exactly one of the events B or C occurs) = P (exactly one of the events C or A occurs) = p ,
and P (all the three events occur simultaneously) = p2 ,
where 0 < p < ½ .
Then the probability of at least one of the three events A, B and C occurring is:

Ans: ## \dfrac{3p+2p^2}{2} ##

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


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NOTE: The regions shown do not overlap with each other, i.e. P(A) ≠ region 1, instead P(A) = region ( 1 + 2 + 4 + 5).
By symmetry, I assume region 1 = 3 = 7 = p/2
Region 5 = p2
Again by symmetry, region 2 = 4 = 6 = x.
I need to find x because the probability that I got to calculate is the sum of all the regions, ie.
## \dfrac{3p}{2} + 3x + p^2 ##
I don't know how. I initially though that the sum of all probabilities might be 1, but then it doesn't say that this is the case. For all we know, there might be 10 more events. So, I dismissed that option. I don't know how to proceed from here.
 
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Why not just write down the equations you know in terms of the areas 1-7? You don't have to assume symmetry.
 
How does that help?
Here:
1 + 3 = 3 + 7 = 7 + 1 = p
5 = p2
I still don't know 2, 4, 6
Also, from the answer, I just noticed that 2, 4 and 6 must be 0. Which is very surprising.
 
erisedk said:
How does that help?
Here:
1 + 3 = 3 + 7 = 7 + 1 = p
5 = p2
I still don't know 2, 4, 6
Also, from the answer, I just noticed that 2, 4 and 6 must be 0. Which is very surprising.

Those equations are not right. Look more carefully at your diagram. What areas represent "exactly one of A or B"?
 
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Got it. 1 + 4 + 3 + 6 represents exactly one of A and B. Thank you so much :)
 
erisedk said:

Homework Statement


For the three events A, B and C, P (exactly one of the events A or B occurs) = P (exactly one of the events B or C occurs) = P (exactly one of the events C or A occurs) = p ,
and P (all the three events occur simultaneously) = p2 ,
where 0 < p < ½ .
Then the probability of at least one of the three events A, B and C occurring is:

Ans: ## \dfrac{3p+2p^2}{2} ##

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


http://s3.amazonaws.com/minglebox-photo/core-0000-c88370190d4b414d010d4b415d220010.data-0000-fdbffe7622c53ecd0122c5c50d0b0334.gif
NOTE: The regions shown do not overlap with each other, i.e. P(A) ≠ region 1, instead P(A) = region ( 1 + 2 + 4 + 5).
By symmetry, I assume region 1 = 3 = 7 = p/2
Region 5 = p2
Again by symmetry, region 2 = 4 = 6 = x.
I need to find x because the probability that I got to calculate is the sum of all the regions, ie.
## \dfrac{3p}{2} + 3x + p^2 ##
I don't know how. I initially though that the sum of all probabilities might be 1, but then it doesn't say that this is the case. For all we know, there might be 10 more events. So, I dismissed that option. I don't know how to proceed from here.
how did you come up with that Venn's diagram? is it given or you came up with it?. If it's given, then just write down the equation of probability of the union of events.
 
Oh no, it wasn't given. I got the answer now.
 
erisedk said:
Got it. 1 + 4 + 3 + 6 represents exactly one of A and B. Thank you so much :)
My intuition tells me that you have to use negation to find AnB which corresponds to the areas 2 and 5. I don't know if that's correct
 
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erisedk said:
Oh no, it wasn't given. I got the answer now.
Ummm I would be glad to know the way you came up with the answer because I don't know XD.
 
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Oh sure!
1 + 4 + 3 + 6 = p
2 + 3 + 4 + 7 = p
1 + 2 + 7 + 6 = p
Adding them,
2 ( 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 6 + 7 ) = 3p
(1+2+3+4+6+7) = 3p/2
5 = p2
Hence, 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 = 3p/2 + p2
 

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