Proving Abelian Property of Groups Using the Hypothesis ab=ca

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The discussion revolves around a homework problem concerning the properties of groups in abstract algebra, specifically focusing on proving that a group G is abelian given the condition that if ab = ca for elements a, b, and c in G, then b must equal c. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and exploration of group properties.

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  • Homework-related
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the problem and begins exploring the implications of the hypothesis ab = ca, attempting to manipulate the equation to derive useful conclusions.
  • Another participant suggests assuming G is abelian and deriving a contradiction to show that it must not have the property in question.
  • Some participants propose that assuming G is not abelian could lead to proving that b equals c under the given hypothesis.
  • A later reply introduces a method involving manipulating the equation aba^{-1} = c and applying the hypothesis to draw conclusions.

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Participants express various approaches to the problem, with no consensus on a definitive method or conclusion. Multiple competing views on how to tackle the proof remain evident.

Contextual Notes

Some participants' approaches depend on assumptions about the nature of the group G and the implications of the hypothesis, which may not be fully resolved in the discussion.

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I have a homework problem that states: Let G be a group with the following property: Whenever a,b and c belong to G and ab = ca, then b=c. Prove that G is abelian.

I started with the hypothesis ab=ca and solved for b and c using inverses. I found b=(a-1)ca and c=ab(a-1). Because the hypothesis says b=c I set them equal. (a-1)ca=ab(a-1). But I'm having trouble getting anywhere useful after that. Hints or suggestions if I'm on the right track?
 
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Suppose G is Abelian and it doesn't have that property. Show a contradiction that G must not be Abelian.

Can you show a contradiction?
 
So I should try assuming its not abelian and try proving that if ab=ca, then b equals c??
 
nataliemarie said:
So I should try assuming its not abelian and try proving that if ab=ca, then b equals c??

Suppose G is Abelian and it doesn't have that property.

I already wrote the first line for you.
 
Start with [tex]aba^{-1}=c[/tex] (c is just some element of the group). Now, if you right-multiply by a, and apply the hypothesis, what do you conclude?
 

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