Proving Cauchy-Schwarz Inequality: My Dumb Question

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The discussion revolves around the proof of the Cauchy-Schwarz inequality, specifically exploring a participant's attempt to derive it without reference materials. The focus is on the mathematical reasoning involved in the proof and the participant's confusion regarding a specific step in their derivation.

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  • One participant attempts to prove the Cauchy-Schwarz inequality by manipulating the expression involving an arbitrary complex number t and its implications on the inequality.
  • The participant expresses confusion about their conclusion that choosing a larger |t| could lead to (x,y)=0 for arbitrary x and y, questioning where their reasoning went wrong.
  • Other participants provide clarifications on the mathematical expressions used, confirming the steps in the proof without addressing the participant's confusion directly.

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There is no consensus on the participant's confusion, as the discussion primarily consists of the participant's exploration and others providing clarifications on the mathematical expressions.

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The discussion does not resolve the participant's misunderstanding regarding the implications of their proof, leaving the reasoning behind their conclusion unaddressed.

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I have to ask a dumb question. I seem to be doing something very wrong here, and it's probably trivial, but for some reason I don't see what it is. I decided to try to prove the Cauchy-Schwarz inequality without opening a book. I remember that a proof I read once started by noting that

0\leq(x+ty,x+ty)=||x||^2+2 Re (t(x,y))+||y||^2

t is an arbitrary complex number. From here on it's supposed to be about choosing the right t. The inequality above is obviously satisfied when Re(t(x,y))>0, so let's choose Arg t so that it's negative instead.

We get

0\leq||x||^2-2|t||(x,y)|+||y||^2

or equivalently

|(x,y)|\leq\frac{1}{2|t|}(||x||^2+||y||^2)

Now if we choose

|t|=\frac{||x||^2+||y||^2}{2||x||||y||}

the inequality above turns into the Cauchy-Schwarz inequality.

Here's my dumb question: By choosing |t| much larger, I can make |(x,y)| as small as I want, and this implies that (x,y)=0 for arbitrary x and y! This obviously can't be true, I must have done something wrong. What's my mistake?

By the way, is there a better way to write the norm in LaTeX?
 
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Fredrik said:
(x+ty,x+ty)=||x||^2+2 Re (t(x,y))+||y||^2
It's here!
 
(x+ty,x+ty)=(x,x)+t(x,y)+t^*(y,x)+(y,y)

=||x||^2+t(x,y)+(t(x,y))^*+||y||^2=||x||^2+2 Re (t(x,y))+||y||^2
 
Fredrik said:
(x+ty,x+ty)=(x,x)+t(x,y)+t^*(y,x)+(y,y)
(x+ty,x+ty) = (x,x) + (x,ty) + (ty,x) + (ty,ty)
 
D'oh...and LOL. Thanks. I don't know how I could stare at it for like an hour and not see it.
 

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