Proving Closure of Set T: f(x)=g(x) on Closed Domain [a,b] in R

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The discussion revolves around proving that the set T, defined as T={x:f(x)=g(x)} for functions f and g on a closed interval [a,b], is closed. Participants explore the properties of closed sets and the implications of continuity in this context.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Some participants suggest proving that the complement of T, where f(x) is not equal to g(x), is open, as this would imply T is closed. Others discuss the function h(x)=f(x)-g(x) and its role in understanding the set T.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing hints and exploring different methods to approach the proof. There are indications of uncertainty regarding the formalization of arguments, and some participants express confusion about the validity of their reasoning.

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Participants are working within the constraints of proving properties of sets defined by continuous functions on a closed and bounded domain. There is an emphasis on the definitions of open and closed sets in relation to neighborhoods.

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Suppose f:[a,b]--> R and g:[a,b]-->R. Let T={x:f(x)=g(x)}
Prove that T is closed.

I know that a closed set is one which contains all of its accumulation points. I know that f and g must be uniformly continuous since they have compact domains, that is, closed and bounded domains. Now T is the set for which f(x)=g(x), so it seems pretty obvious that this set is going to be closed, but I don't really know how to actually prove this.
 
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Have you tried proving that the set of x where f(x) is NOT equal to g(x) is open? If you can show that set is open then its complement is closed.
 
Hint: Look at the function h(x)=f(x)-g(x). What is T?
 
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Hmm...okay...so an open set is one where if x belongs to the set T, then there is a neighborhood Q of x that is contained in the set T.

So if T={x: f(x)=/=g(x)}, then we can find a neighborhood of x of T , namely (x-eps,x+eps) that is contained in T. Well...obviously if the function values are not equal, then such a neighborhood exists since our domain is R, but I'm not sure if this proves it formally...EDIT: Office Shredder, I assume you are going for a different method than Dick? T in that case would be the set for which h(x)=0.
 
So the complement of T is the set of x so that h(x) =/= 0. It should be easier to think about how to prove that is open (since h(x) is continuous)
 
workerant said:
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Hmm...okay...so an open set is one where if x belongs to the set T, then there is a neighborhood Q of x that is contained in the set T.

So if T={x: f(x)=/=g(x)}, then we can find a neighborhood of x of T , namely (x-eps,x+eps) that is contained in T. Well...obviously if the function values are not equal, then such a neighborhood exists since our domain is R, but I'm not sure if this proves it formally...


EDIT: Office Shredder, I assume you are going for a different method than Dick? T in that case would be the set for which h(x)=0.

That's not much of a proof, formal or not. Put delta=|f(x0)-g(x0)|/2. Use the definition of continuity. Office Shredder does have a more direct way of doing it. If you know the theorem he is referring to.
 
Well, then for the complement, there is a neighborhood (x-eps,x+eps) that is contained in T since there are infinitely many points on our domain such that h(x)=/=0 because of the fact that h is continuous.
 
workerant said:
Well, then for the complement, there is a neighborhood (x-eps,x+eps) that is contained in T since there are infinitely many points on our domain such that h(x)=/=0 because of the fact that h is continuous.

That's an even worse proof than the last one. The last one was not a proof, this one is actually false.
 
I wrote that before I saw the other post you made to set delta equal and use definition.
 

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