Proving coercivity for weak form

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The discussion revolves around proving the coercivity of the bilinear form associated with the weak form of the Poisson equation, specifically in the context of functional analysis and partial differential equations. Participants are exploring the conditions and necessary inequalities for coercivity, as well as the application of the Poincaré inequality.

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Main Points Raised

  • Carla1985 presents the weak form of the Poisson equation and seeks assistance in proving the coercivity of the bilinear form, noting the requirement for a constant c such that |a(u,v)| ≤ c||v||_V for all v in V.
  • Some participants point out missing information regarding the conditions on the domain Ω and the spaces to which u and v belong.
  • Clarification is provided that the coercivity condition should be stated as |a(v,v)| ≥ c||v||² for all v in V.
  • One participant asserts that coercivity can be established using the Poincaré inequality, suggesting that there exists a constant C such that a(u,u) = ||∇u||² ≥ C||u||² for all u in H¹(Ω).

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Participants generally agree on the need for clarity regarding the conditions and spaces involved, but there is no consensus on the specific steps to prove coercivity, as some participants are still uncertain about the application of the Poincaré inequality.

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Limitations include the lack of specific conditions on the domain Ω and the definitions of the spaces for u and v, which may affect the proof of coercivity.

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I have the weak form of the poisson equation as $a(u,v)=l(v)$ where
$$a(u,v)=\int_\Omega \bigtriangledown u\cdot\bigtriangledown v$$

I have been proving existence and uniqueness of the solution using the Lax-Milgram Thm. I am stuck on proving that the bilinear form $$a(u,v)$$ is coercive. I have that it is coercive if there exists a constant c such that
$$|a(u,v)|\leq c||v||_V\ \ \forall\ v\in V$$
where $||\cdot||_V$ is the norm corresponding to scalar product $(\cdot,\cdot)_V$.

I think I need to use the Poincare inequality to solve it but not sure how. Could someone please give me tips on how to go about proving this please? Thanks
 
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Hi Carla1985,

There are pieces of information that are missing in your question. What are the conditions on $\Omega$? In what space do $u$ and $v$ belong to? Also, in the definition of coercivity, you should have $|a(v,v)| \ge c\|v\|^2$ for all $v\in V$.
 
Euge said:
Hi Carla1985,

There are pieces of information that are missing in your question. What are the conditions on $\Omega$? In what space do $u$ and $v$ belong to?

I have my spaces as:
$$u\in U:=\{u\in H^1(\Omega)\ |\ u=g_D\textsf{ on }\partial\Omega_D\}$$
$$v\in V:=\{v\in H^1(\Omega)\ |\ v=0\textsf{ on }\partial\Omega_D\}$$

Euge said:
Also, in the definition of coercivity, you should have $|a(v,v)| \ge c\|v\|^2$ for all $v\in V$.

Yes sorry, that's what I should have typed :)
 
The coercivity of $a$ follows directly from the Poincare inequality, for there is a constant $C = C(\Omega)$ such that $a(u,u) = \|\nabla u\|_{L^2(\Omega)}^2 \ge C\|u\|^2$ for all $u\in H^1(\Omega)$.
 

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