Proving Completeness of $(\mathbb{R},d)$

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The discussion revolves around proving that the metric space $(\mathbb{R},d)$, where $d = \frac{|x - y|}{1 + |x - y|}$, is complete. Participants are exploring the properties of Cauchy sequences in this context and comparing them to those in the standard metric space $(\mathbb{R},d_u)$ defined by the usual absolute distance.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between Cauchy sequences in the two metric spaces and question whether there exist Cauchy sequences in $(\mathbb{R},d)$ that are not Cauchy in $(\mathbb{R},d_u)$. Some suggest examining the bounds of the metrics and the implications for Cauchy sequences.

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There is ongoing exploration of the properties of the metrics and their implications for Cauchy sequences. Participants are sharing insights and attempting to clarify the relationships between the two metrics, with some guidance being offered regarding the behavior of the metrics for small distances.

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Participants are working under the assumption that proving the completeness of the metric space requires establishing a correspondence between Cauchy sequences in both metrics. There is also a reference to the necessity of confirming that $d$ is indeed a metric.

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Homework Statement


Prove that [itex](\mathbb{R},d)[/itex], [itex]d = \frac{\mid x - y \mid}{1 + \mid x - y \mid}[/itex] is a complete metric space.

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If [itex]d_u = \mid x - y \mid[/itex], then I can prove this for the Cauchy sequences in [itex](\mathbb{R},d)[/itex] that are also Cauchy in [itex](\mathbb{R},d_u)[/itex]. But there may be Cauchy sequences in [itex](\mathbb{R},d)[/itex] that are not Cauchy in [itex](\mathbb{R},d_u)[/itex].
 
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Shoelace Thm. said:

Homework Statement


Prove that [itex](\mathbb{R},d)[/itex], [itex]d = \frac{\mid x - y \mid}{1 + \mid x - y \mid}[/itex] is a complete metric space.


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The Attempt at a Solution


If [itex]d_u = \mid x - y \mid[/itex], then I can prove this for the Cauchy sequences in [itex](\mathbb{R},d)[/itex] that are also Cauchy in [itex](\mathbb{R},d_u)[/itex]. But there may be Cauchy sequences in [itex](\mathbb{R},d)[/itex] that are not Cauchy in [itex](\mathbb{R},d_u)[/itex].

Can you give me an example of one? I don't really think there are any.
 
I couldn't find one either. How can I prove there are none i.e., there is one-to-one correspondence between the Cauchy sequences of each space?
 
Shoelace Thm. said:
I couldn't find one either. How can I prove there are none i.e., there is one-to-one correspondence between the Cauchy sequences of each space?

Suppose you could find constants m and M such that ##md(x,y) \le d_u(x,y) \le Md(x,y)##? You would have trouble with the M part of that, but remember when you are dealing with Cauchy sequences you only have to worry about small values of |x-y|.
 
I don't quite understand what you are getting at, but I have that for n,m sufficiently large and [itex]x_n[/itex] Cauchy in (R,d), [itex]\frac{\mid x_n - x_m \mid}{1 + \mid x_n - x_m \mid} < \epsilon \rightarrow \mid x_n - x_m \mid < \frac{1}{1 - \epsilon}[/itex]. So [itex]x_n[/itex] is Cauchy in (R,d_u).
 
Does this work?
 
Shoelace Thm. said:
I don't quite understand what you are getting at, but I have that for n,m sufficiently large and [itex]x_n[/itex] Cauchy in (R,d), [itex]\frac{\mid x_n - x_m \mid}{1 + \mid x_n - x_m \mid} < \epsilon \rightarrow \mid x_n - x_m \mid < \frac{1}{1 - \epsilon}[/itex]. So [itex]x_n[/itex] is Cauchy in (R,d_u).
I don't see how that works, because ##1/(1-\epsilon)## does not approach 0 as ##\epsilon \rightarrow 0##.

Suppose that
$$\frac{|x-y|}{1 + |x-y|} \leq \frac{1}{2}$$
Then we have
$$\begin{align}
|x-y| &= \frac{|x-y|}{1+|x-y|} \cdot (1 + |x-y|) \\
&= \frac{|x-y|}{1+|x-y|} + \frac{|x-y|}{1+|x-y|} \cdot |x-y| \\
&<= \frac{|x-y|}{1+|x-y|} + \frac{1}{2}|x-y| \\
\end{align}$$
So
$$|x-y| \leq 2\frac{|x-y|}{1 + |x-y|}$$
This should allow you to conclude that Cauchy in ##d## implies Cauchy in ##d_u##.

By the way, did you already prove that ##d## is a metric?
 
Shoelace Thm. said:
Does this work?

junniiii as already done a fine job of pointing out why it doesn't work. My point was that you only have to worry around small values of ε. If |x-y|<1 then d and d_u are almost the same. They differ by a factor of at most 2.
 
Dick: Ok I understand now.

jbunniii: Yes I did prove d is a metric.
 

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