Proving Convexity: Steps and Conditions for a Set to be Convex

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The discussion revolves around proving the convexity of a specific set defined in the plane, $\mathscr D := \{(x,y) \mid x+y \geqslant 0, x+y \leqslant 7, x \geqslant 2\}$. Participants explore the necessary steps and conditions for demonstrating that this set is convex, including the use of intersections of convex sets and the application of definitions related to convex combinations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest proving that the intersection of convex sets is convex, requiring each individual set $D_i$ to be shown as convex.
  • Participants discuss the standard approach of showing that for any two points in the set, a linear combination of these points also lies within the set, specifically using coefficients $k_1$ and $k_2$ such that $k_1 + k_2 = 1$.
  • There is a correction regarding the coordinates of points on the segment, clarifying that the correct expression involves $y_1$ instead of $y_2$ in the inequality to be proved.
  • One participant expresses confusion about how to derive the inequality from the conditions $x_1+y_1 \leq 7$ and $x_2+y_2 \leq 7$, prompting further clarification and exploration of the necessary steps.
  • Another participant suggests an alternative approach to bounding the terms by considering the inequalities multiplied by the coefficients, rather than directly comparing them to the individual terms.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to prove the convexity of the individual sets $D_i$ and the overall set $\mathscr D$. However, there is ongoing confusion and lack of consensus regarding the specific steps required to derive the necessary inequalities from the conditions provided.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved mathematical steps regarding the transition from the conditions on the points to the desired inequality, and participants express varying levels of understanding about the implications of the convex combination definitions.

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I would like getting for this problem: Consider $\mathscr D := \{(x,y) \mid x, y \in \mathbb R^2 \}$ with $x+y \geqslant 0$, $x+y \leq 7$ and $x \geqslant 2$. Show that the set is convex. The standard steps say that there exist $k_1, k_2 \geqslant 0$ with $k_1 + k_2 = 1$, and I have to prove that $xk_1 + y(1-k_1) \in \mathscr D$ in order to show convexity. Please help me on going forward from here, thank you very much for your time and effort.
 
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Tarrant said:
I would like getting for this problem: Consider $\mathscr D := \{(x,y) \mid x, y \in \mathbb R^2 \}$ with $x+y \geqslant 0$, $x+y \leq 7$ and $x \geqslant 2$.
This definition should say
\[
\mathscr D=\{(x,y)\in\mathbb{R}^2\mid x+y \geqslant 0,x+y \leq 7,x \geqslant 2\}.
\]

Tarrant said:
Show that the set is convex.
Note that $\mathscr D=D_1\cap D_2\cap D_3$ where $D_1=\{(x,y)\mid x+y \geqslant 0\}$, $D_2=\{(x,y)\mid x+y \leq 7\}$ and $D_3=\{(x,y)\mid x \geqslant 2\}$. I suggest proving a general fact that that intersection of convex sets is convex, so it would be sufficient to prove that each of $D_i$ is convex.

Tarrant said:
The standard steps say that there exist $k_1, k_2 \geqslant 0$ with $k_1 + k_2 = 1$, and I have to prove that $xk_1 + y(1-k_1) \in \mathscr D$ in order to show convexity.
Yes, points lying on the segment between $(x_1,y_2)$ and $(x_2,y_2)$ have coordinates $((1-k)x_1+kx_2,(1-k)y_1+ky_2)$ for $0\le k\le 1$. Use this definition to to prove that sets $D_i$ are convex. For example, for $D_2$ you need to show that $x_1+y_1\le 7$ and $x_2+y_2\le 7$ imply
\[
(1-k)x_1+kx_2+(1-k)y_1+ky_2\le7.
\]
 
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Evgeny.Makarov said:
Yes, points lying on the segment between $(x_1,y_2)$ and $(x_2,y_2)$ have coordinates $((1-k)x_1+kx_2,(1-k)y_2+ky_2)$ for $0\le k\le 1$. Use this definition to to prove that sets $D_i$ are convex. For example, for $D_2$ you need to show that $x_1+y_1\le 7$ and $x_2+y_2\le 7$ imply
\[
(1-k)x_1+kx_2+(1-k)y_2+ky_2\le7.
\]

Thank you for your quick response! I understand the first part and second part of your solution, but on the third part (quoted above,) how do you get from $x_1+y_1\le 7$ and $x_2+y_2\le 7$ to implying that $(1-k)x_1+kx_2+(1-k)y_2+ky_2\le7$? I would appreciate if you could provide me with additional steps. Thank you again and again for your time and effort.

PS: I am sorry I get back late answering your question.
 
Tarrant said:
how do you get from $x_1+y_1\le 7$ and $x_2+y_2\le 7$ to implying that $(1-k)x_1+kx_2+(1-k)y_2+ky_2\le7$?
There was a typo in the coordinates of a point on the segment and in the inequality to be proved. The point has coordinates $((1-k)x_1+kx_2, (1-k)y_1+ky_2)$ ($y_1$ instead of $y_2$), and the claim should read
\[
(1-k)x_1+kx_2+(1-k)y_1+ky_2\le7.
\]
Note that $(1-k)x_1+kx_2+(1-k)y_1+ky_2=(1-k)(x_1+y_1)+k(x_2+y_2)$. Now use conditions on $(x_1,y_1)$ and $(x_2,y_2)$ and the fact that $0\le k\le 1$ (it is essential).
 
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Evgeny.Makarov said:
There was a typo in the coordinates of a point on the segment and in the inequality to be proved. The point has coordinates $((1-k)x_1+kx_2, (1-k)y_1+ky_2)$ ($y_1$ instead of $y_2$), and the claim should read
\[
(1-k)x_1+kx_2+(1-k)y_1+ky_2\le7.
\]
Note that $(1-k)x_1+kx_2+(1-k)y_1+ky_2\le7=(1-k)(x_1+y_1)+k(x_2+y_2)$. Now use conditions on $(x_1,y_1)$ and $(x_2,y_2)$ and the fact that $0\le k\le 1$ (it is essential).

Thank you again. Let me think about it and get back with you soon. Thanks again.
 
Evgeny.Makarov said:
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Note that $(1-k)x_1+kx_2+(1-k)y_1+ky_2\le7=(1-k)(x_1+y_1)+k(x_2+y_2)$. Now use conditions on $(x_1,y_1)$ and $(x_2,y_2)$ and the fact that $0\le k\le 1$ (it is essential).

I know easily that because $0 \leq k \leq 1$ and $0 \leq (1-k) \leq 1$ therefore $(1-k)(x_1+y_1) \leq (x_1+y_1) \leq 7$ and $k(x_2+y_2) \leq (x_2+y_2) \leq 7$, hence $(1-k)(x_1+y_1) \leq 7$ and $k(x_2+y_2) \leq 7$. And then, what is next? How do you go from here to get to the claim $(1-k)x_1+kx_2+(1-k)y_1+ky_2\leq 7$? I am sorry but I am still confused. Thanks again in advance for all your time and help.s
 
Tarrant said:
I know easily that because $0 \leq k \leq 1$ and $0 \leq (1-k) \leq 1$ therefore $(1-k)(x_1+y_1) \leq (x_1+y_1) \leq 7$
Instead of $(1-k)(x_1+y_1) \leq (x_1+y_1)$ try $(1-k)(x_1+y_1) \leq 7(1-k)$ and similarly for $k(x_2+y_2)$.
 

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