Proving Eigenvalues Equality of A & B Matrices

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The problem involves proving that two matrices, A and B, which are expressed in terms of LU factorization, have the same eigenvalues. A is defined as A=LU and B as B=UL, where U is an upper triangular matrix and L is a lower triangular matrix.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • The original poster attempts to show that A and B are similar matrices to establish that they share eigenvalues. They consider using determinants to relate the eigenvalues but express uncertainty about their approach.
  • Some participants suggest manipulating the equations by multiplying by the inverse of L and writing A in terms of B or vice versa.
  • There is a discussion about the justification of using the inverse of U, particularly concerning the non-zero diagonal elements of U.
  • One participant questions whether the problem statement specifies that the diagonal elements of U are non-zero, noting that other versions of the problem mention L or U being unit triangular matrices.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various approaches to the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the manipulation of matrices and the conditions under which the inverses can be used. There is recognition of a potential oversight in the problem statement regarding the properties of the matrices involved.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted lack of specification in the assignment regarding the properties of the matrices L and U, which has led to some confusion. The original poster references a textbook that clarifies the nature of L as unitary, which may impact the approach to the problem.

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Homework Statement


Let A=LU and B=UL, where U is an upper triangular matrix and L is a lower triangular matrix. Demonstrate that A and B have the same eigenvalues.


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Not sure.


The Attempt at a Solution


I know that if I can show that A and B are similar (so if I can find a matrix P such that P^(-1)AP=B) they have the same eigenvalues. But I didn't find P yet, nor do I know really how to search efficiently for P.

Another route I've thought of is to write det (I*lambda-A)=0 gives the same values for lambda as det (I*lambda-B)=0. I've thought of using det (A)=det (LU)=det L * det U = det U * det L = det B... but still can't reach anything I find useful.
Any tip is greatly appreciated.
 
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how about multiplying thorugh by the inverse of L.. you may need to show it exists
 
Try to write A in terms of B (or the other way around), and see what you get!
 
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hint was probably enough
 
LU=U^(-1)ULU=LU so the equality is true. Notice that LU=A and UL=B. I have that P=U, thus LU is similar to UL (A similar to B) so they share the same eigenvalues.

Now I must justify the use of the inverse of U. Well I believe its element on the diagonal are all non zero. So if the matrix is nxn, the span of its column vector is R^n so it is invertible, hence U^-1 exists.


Is that well justified?
 
fluidistic said:
LU=U^(-1)ULU=LU so the equality is true. Notice that LU=A and UL=B. I have that P=U, thus LU is similar to UL (A similar to B) so they share the same eigenvalues.

Now I must justify the use of the inverse of U. Well I believe its element on the diagonal are all non zero. So if the matrix is nxn, the span of its column vector is R^n so it is invertible, hence U^-1 exists. Is that well justified?

It would be if the problem stated that the elements of U along the diagonal are nonzero. Does it? Other versions of this problem I've found say that L or U is a UNIT triangular matrix. Did you miss a word in the problem statement?
 
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Dick said:
It would be if the problem stated that the elements of U along the diagonal are nonzero. Does it? Other versions of this problem I've found say that L or U is a UNIT triangular matrix. Did you miss a word in the problem statement?

You pointed out a very interesting thing to me. In my assignment it isn't specified. But most of the exercises assigned are taken from Kincaid's book on numerical analysis. I just checked there and it clearly states L to be UNITARY.
If only they had stated this in my assignment I could have guessed that I had to take the inverse of L. :) Well I'm not 100% sure but probably.
So basically the problem is solved now... thanks guys.
 
fluidistic said:
You pointed out a very interesting thing to me. In my assignment it isn't specified. But most of the exercises assigned are taken from Kincaid's book on numerical analysis. I just checked there and it clearly states L to be UNITARY.
If only they had stated this in my assignment I could have guessed that I had to take the inverse of L. :) Well I'm not 100% sure but probably.
So basically the problem is solved now... thanks guys.

Their bad. Very welcome.
 

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