Proving Equivalence Relations with a Given Condition

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The discussion revolves around proving that a specific relation defined on a set A is an equivalence relation. The relation R is defined by the condition (x1,y1)R(x2,y2) if x1+y1=x2+y2. Participants explore how to demonstrate the reflexive, symmetric, and transitive properties required for equivalence relations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how to use the condition x1+y1=x2+y2 to prove the properties of equivalence relations.
  • Another participant confirms that equality is an equivalence relation on integers, outlining the properties but makes a correction regarding the transitive property statement.
  • A later reply emphasizes the importance of the condition x1+y1=x2+y2 in establishing the properties of reflexivity, symmetry, and transitivity.
  • Examples are provided to illustrate how to verify each property using specific pairs from the set A.
  • There is a suggestion that generating specific examples can help build confidence in proving the general case.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to demonstrate the properties of equivalence relations, but there is no consensus on the best approach to proving the relation R is an equivalence relation. Some participants provide examples while others seek clarification on the use of the defining condition.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty regarding the application of the condition x1+y1=x2+y2 in the context of proving the properties of equivalence relations. There are also corrections made to earlier statements without resolving the overall proof process.

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This discussion may be useful for students or individuals studying equivalence relations in mathematics, particularly those looking for examples and clarification on how to prove such properties.

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Hi,
Here is my question. I need to prove the following an equivalence relation.
Let A = {1,2,3,4,5} X {1.2,3,4,5} and define a relation R on A by (x1,y1)R{ x2,y2) if x1+y1=x2+y2.

I am bit confused how to use the condition x1+y1=x2+y2 to prove for transitive, symmetric and reflexive properties.
Please help.
Thanks
 
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Can you show that "=" is an equivalence relation on the integers?
 
Thanks for your reply John.
Ya sure. If I have got your question correctly. I have done this.
Let S be a nonempty set of integers and let
equality = be our relation. Then = is an equivalence relation on
S since
(i) a = a for all a S,
(ii) if a = b, then b = a (for all a,b),
(iii) if a = b and a = b then a = c (for all a,b,c ).

I am eager to know whether I am correct on this or not.
 
I think on you probably meant: (iii) If a = b and b = c then a = c. The point is, at any rate, that it's easy to see that x1+y1 and x2+y2 from your original post are both integers.
 
Dream said:
Hi,
Here is my question. I need to prove the following an equivalence relation.
Let A = {1,2,3,4,5} X {1.2,3,4,5} and define a relation R on A by (x1,y1)R{ x2,y2) if x1+y1=x2+y2.

I am bit confused how to use the condition x1+y1=x2+y2 to prove for transitive, symmetric and reflexive properties.
Please help.
Thanks


The relation R that you defined is an equivalence relation on A;
it is not, however, the equality relation on A.

I suggest you state the reflexive, symmetric and transitive properties for binary relations in general.

Then verify that R satisfies all three.
 
Thanks fopc! but what is the use of condition x1+y1 = x2+y2 ?
 
Use? Who knows. It's just an example to see if you can prove something is an equivalence relation.

You've not written a proof yet.

So, does (x,y)R(x,y)?
Does (x,y)R(u,v) imply (u,v)R(x,y)?
Does (x,y)R(u,v) and (u,v)R(s,t) imply (x,y)R(s,t)?
 
Dream said:
Thanks fopc! but what is the use of condition x1+y1 = x2+y2 ?


Here's some supplementary information to consider.

R is a subset of AxA.

x1+y1 = x1+y2 is the property or predicate (call it P) that defines R, i.e.,
R = {((x1,y1),(x2,y2)) | x1+y1 = x2+y2} (loosely stated).

What use is P? P must be used to establish the three properties in question.
There is no escape here. It must be used.
What I think you'll see is that the properties in question will be inherited
from P itself. Think about '='.

Invariably, for me at least, generating specific examples gives confidence
that something can be established in general.
Here's an example for each property.

Reflexivity:
Ask yourself, is every member of A in relation with itself (all 25 of them)? Of course, yes.
For example, is ((1,2),(1,2)) in R?

Symmetry:
Example: Clearly, ((3,4),(5,2)) is in R. Then we must have that ((5,2),(3,4)) in R and it is.

Transitivity:
Example: Clearly, ((5,1),(4,2)) and ((4,2),(3,3)) are in R. Then we must have ((5,1),(3,3)) in R and it is.
 
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Thanks a lot... :-)
 

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