Proving Existence of $\delta$ for Continuous Function $f$ s.t. $f(c)<5$

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The discussion revolves around proving the existence of a \(\delta > 0\) for a continuous function \(f\) such that if \(f(c) < 5\), then \(f(x) < 7\) for all \(x\) within the interval \((c - \delta, c + \delta)\). The scope includes mathematical reasoning and continuity concepts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how to find \(\delta\) given the continuity of \(f\) at \(c\) and the condition \(f(c) < 5\).
  • Another participant suggests taking \(\epsilon = 2\) to demonstrate that there exists a \(\delta > 0\) such that \(3 < f(x) < 7\), implying that the proof is complete.
  • A participant reflects on the simplicity of using \(\epsilon = 2\) and acknowledges understanding the question better after the explanation.
  • One participant questions whether the original proof requirement is equivalent to showing that \(\lim_{x \to c} f(x) = f(c) < 7\), which they argue follows from the given condition.
  • Another participant clarifies that while the limit being less than 5 implies \(f(x) < 7\) for \(x\) close to \(c\), it still requires proof, emphasizing the original task of proving \(f(x) < 7\) for \(x\) near \(c\).

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Participants generally agree on the approach to the problem, but there is disagreement regarding the equivalence of the conditions and whether the proof is straightforward or requires additional justification.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the implications of the continuity condition and the specific choice of \(\epsilon\), indicating that the discussion involves nuanced mathematical reasoning that is not fully resolved.

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Im having a little trouble with this question.

If f is continuous at c and f(c) &lt; 5, prove that there exists a \delta &gt; 0 such that f(x) &lt; 7 for all x \in (c - \delta , c + \delta)

So we are given that f is continuous at c.
So \lim_{x \to c}f(x) = f(c) &lt; 5
\forall \epsilon &gt; 0 \exists \delta &gt; 0 such that whenever |x - c| &lt; \delta then |f(x) - f(c)| &lt; \epsilon

|x - c| &lt; \delta
-\delta &lt; x - c &lt; \delta
c - \delta &lt; x &lt; c + \delta

Ok now I am getting lost..
I know i have to do something with |f(x) - f(c)| &lt; \epsilon
maybe
|f(x) - 5| &lt; \epsilon
-\epsilon &lt; f(x) - 5 &lt; \epsilon
5 - \epsilon &lt; f(x) &lt; 5 + \epsilon
we want f(x) &lt; 7 so ... am i on the right track? How can i find the \delta &gt; 0 that satisfies this?
 
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gimpy said:
5 - \epsilon &lt; f(x) &lt; 5 + \epsilon
we want f(x) &lt; 7 so ... am i on the right track? How can i find the \delta &gt; 0 that satisfies this?

Yes, you're on the right track. Take \epsilon=2. From the limit you mentioned, we know that there exists a \delta&gt;0 such that 3&lt;f(x)&lt;7 and so you are done. The question was asking you to show that a delta exists, and the limit demonstrates that it clearly does, so you are done.
 
I was actually thinking about making \epsilon = 2 but thought it was to easy. Ok so thanks for explaining the question a bit more to me, i understand it now. :smile:
 
gimpy,

Isn't what you're asked to prove equivalent to,

\lim_{x \to c}f(x) = f(c) &lt; 7

which follows trivially from,

\lim_{x \to c}f(x) = f(c) &lt; 5

which was what you were given?
 
No, that's not what was given. Given that the limit is less than 5 it is true, but requires proof, that, for x close to c, f(x)< 5. gimpy was asked to prove the slightly simpler case: that, for x close to c, f(x)< 7.
 

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