Proving Homomorphism and Finding Kernel in Abstract Algebra

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The discussion revolves around proving that a specific mapping Q from the set of all non-zero real numbers to itself is a homomorphism and finding the kernel of this mapping. The context includes theoretical aspects of abstract algebra, specifically focusing on homomorphisms and identity elements within groups.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the mapping Q(a) = a^4 is a homomorphism by showing that Q(ab) = Q(a)Q(b) for all a, b in R.
  • Several participants inquire about the identity element in the group (R, .) and its implications for determining the kernel.
  • There is a suggestion that the identity element is 1, leading to a proposed kernel of {-1, 1}.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the identity element and the kernel, prompting further clarification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the identity element being 1, but there is some uncertainty regarding the kernel and the understanding of the identity element itself. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the kernel's definition and implications.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the understanding of the identity element and its role in defining the kernel of the homomorphism. The discussion reflects varying levels of familiarity with the concepts involved.

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Given R=all non-zero real numbers.

I have a mapping Q: R-> R defined by Q(a) = a^4 for a in R. I have to show that Q is a homomorphism from (R, .) to itself and then find kernel of Q.

In order to prove homomorphism i did this, for all a, b in R
Q(ab) = (ab)^4 = a^4b^4 = Q(a)Q(b).

Is this correct way? Also how do i find the kernel of Q.

thanks
 
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Do you know what a kernel is?
 
gonzo said:
Do you know what a kernel is?

if O:G -> H is a homomorphism , then the kernel of O is the set of all elements a in G such that O(a) = e of H(identity of H).The kernel of a homomorphism is always a subgroup of the domain.
 
So what is e, in this group, and therefore what is the kernel?
 
matt grime said:
So what is e, in this group, and therefore what is the kernel?

e is the identity element.
 
raj123 said:
e is the identity element.

I think he meant, what is the identity elemeen in your group?
 
gonzo said:
I think he meant, what is the identity elemeen in your group?

is 4 the identity ? not sure
 
raj123 said:
is 4 the identity ? not sure

It seems a more important question for you is do you know what an identity element is at all? Do you understand what is meant by "identity element"?
 
raj123 said:
is 4 the identity ? not sure

Look at your group (R, .) and read the definition: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/IdentityElement.html" .
 
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radou said:
Look at your group (R, .) and read the definition: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/IdentityElement.html" .

so 1 is the identity.
 
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raj123 said:
so 1 is the identity.

Exactly. And now look at your definition of the kernel of Q.
 
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radou said:
Exactly. And now look at your definition of the kernel of Q.

so the kernel will be {-1,1}.
 
  • #13
raj123 said:
so the kernel will be {-1,1}.

Yes, looks good.
 
  • #14
radou said:
Yes, looks good.

thanks a lot for helping.
 

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