Proving image of intersection?

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The discussion revolves around a mathematical statement concerning relations and subsets, specifically examining the relationship between the image of the intersection of two subsets and the intersection of their images. Participants are trying to understand the implications of the statement F(A ∩ B) ⊆ F(A) ∩ F(B).

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to prove the subset relationship and are discussing the conditions under which it holds. They are also questioning how to demonstrate that the reverse inclusion does not necessarily hold.

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Some participants have provided insights into the reasoning behind the subset relationship, while others express confusion about proving the non-inclusion of the right side in the left. There is an acknowledgment that the statement may not be universally true, leading to further exploration of the conditions required for such proofs.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of the subset notation and the distinction between subset and proper subset in their arguments. There is an indication that previous related problems have been discussed, which may influence their current understanding.

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Homework Statement



Let F be a relation from X to Y and let A and B be subsets of X. Then,

F(A \cap B) \subseteq F(A) \cap F(B)

The Attempt at a Solution



Let y \in F(A \cap B). Then, \exists x \in A \cap B, so \exists x \in A and x \in B.

Then, y \in F(A) and y \in F(B), so y \in F(A) \cap F(B).

Therefore, y \in F(A \cap B) \Rightarrow y \in F(A) \cap F(B), and hence, F(A \cap B) \subseteq F(A) \cap F(B).

I'm having trouble showing that the right side is not a subset of the left. Thanks for any help.
 
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SithsNGiggles said:

Homework Statement



Let F be a relation from X to Y and let A and B be subsets of X. Then,

F(A \cap B) \subseteq F(A) \cap F(B)

The Attempt at a Solution



Let y \in F(A \cap B). Then, \exists x \in A \cap B, so \exists x \in A and x \in B.
\exists x \in A\cap B such that F(x)= y. You might want to say that!

Then, y \in F(A) and y \in F(B), so y \in F(A) \cap F(B).

Therefore, y \in F(A \cap B) \Rightarrow y \in F(A) \cap F(B), and hence, F(A \cap B) \subseteq F(A) \cap F(B).

I'm having trouble showing that the right side is not a subset of the left. Thanks for any help.
That's because it may not be true! That's the reason for the "\subseteq" rather than just "\subset".
 
HallsofIvy said:
\exists x \in A\cap B such that F(x)= y. You might want to say that!

This is actually the second part of the problem I'm on. The previous one was about the image of a union being equal to the union of the images. I mentioned your suggestion in that part.

HallsofIvy said:
That's because it may not be true! That's the reason for the "\subseteq" rather than just "\subset".

I understand that. I have to show that it's NOT a subset of the left hand side. I just don't know how to do that using the kind of logic I used in proving the left side was a subset of the right.
 
And I will say again that you can't prove that- it is not true- unless you mean proper subset.
 

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