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This might sound an odd/inappropriate request, but could someone post some inequalities that can be proven using calculus?
The forum discussion centers on proving inequalities using calculus, specifically demonstrating that \(2 < e < 3\) through integral comparisons. Participants utilize the integral \(\int_1^2 \frac{1}{t} dt\) and \(\int_1^3 \frac{1}{t} dt\) to establish bounds without logarithmic functions. Key techniques discussed include Jensen's inequality and Riemann sums, with a focus on the convexity of the function \(f(t) = \frac{1}{t}\) to validate the inequalities. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding left and right Riemann sums in approximating integrals.
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Deveno said:here's one you can try.
prove:
$$\int_1^2 \frac{1}{t}\ dt < 1 < \int_1^3 \frac{1}{t}\ dt$$
to conclude that $2 < e < 3$.
oh, and...no fair using logarithms (pretend you've never heard of them).
Poly said:$ \displaystyle \frac{2}{3+1} < \frac{1}{3-1}\int_{1}^{3}f(t)\ dt \implies \frac{1}{2} = \frac{1}{2} \int_{1}^{3} \frac{1}{t} \ dt \implies 1 < \int_{1}^{3} \frac{1}{t} \ dt.$ Did I get that right?
I get $\displaystyle \int_{1}^{3}\frac{1}{t} \ dt = \lim_{n\to\infty}2\sum_{i=1}^{n}\frac{1}{n+2i}$ I'm not too sure what to do next, though.MarkFL said:You might also think in terms of a Riemann sum definition of the definite integral.
Poly said:Okay, I thought I was meant to approximate the area and show that it goes over $1$. (Doh)
I think your set-up and mine are the same since $\displaystyle f(t) = \frac{1}{t}$ therefore $\displaystyle f \left( 1+\frac{2k}{n}\right) = \frac{1}{1+\frac{2k}{n}}.$
The left Riemann sum amounts to an overestimation if f is monotonically decreasing on this interval, and an underestimation if it is monotonically increasing.
Jameson said:...
This is where I'll stop and let someone else confirm. Maybe this is where MarkFL was going with his suggestion.
Oh I see I mixed the two up. Do you have another delicious question perhaps? (Thinking)Deveno said:if you are summing over k = 0 to 6, that is a "left-hand sum" (over-estimate).
you are actually using "right-hand sums" (k = 1 to 7), which are under-estimates. this is good, since this means the actual sum (the integral) is larger, which is what you WANT.