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This might sound an odd/inappropriate request, but could someone post some inequalities that can be proven using calculus?
The discussion revolves around proving inequalities using calculus, specifically focusing on the integral of the function \( \frac{1}{t} \) over certain intervals. Participants explore various approaches and techniques to establish these inequalities without relying on logarithmic functions.
Participants express various viewpoints and approaches to proving the inequalities, but there is no consensus on the correctness of the methods or the final conclusions. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing ideas and techniques presented.
Some participants express uncertainty about their setups and calculations, particularly regarding the application of Riemann sums and the assumptions made in their proofs. There are also mentions of potential typos and the need for further justification in their arguments.
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Deveno said:here's one you can try.
prove:
$$\int_1^2 \frac{1}{t}\ dt < 1 < \int_1^3 \frac{1}{t}\ dt$$
to conclude that $2 < e < 3$.
oh, and...no fair using logarithms (pretend you've never heard of them).
Poly said:$ \displaystyle \frac{2}{3+1} < \frac{1}{3-1}\int_{1}^{3}f(t)\ dt \implies \frac{1}{2} = \frac{1}{2} \int_{1}^{3} \frac{1}{t} \ dt \implies 1 < \int_{1}^{3} \frac{1}{t} \ dt.$ Did I get that right?
I get $\displaystyle \int_{1}^{3}\frac{1}{t} \ dt = \lim_{n\to\infty}2\sum_{i=1}^{n}\frac{1}{n+2i}$ I'm not too sure what to do next, though.MarkFL said:You might also think in terms of a Riemann sum definition of the definite integral.
Poly said:Okay, I thought I was meant to approximate the area and show that it goes over $1$. (Doh)
I think your set-up and mine are the same since $\displaystyle f(t) = \frac{1}{t}$ therefore $\displaystyle f \left( 1+\frac{2k}{n}\right) = \frac{1}{1+\frac{2k}{n}}.$
The left Riemann sum amounts to an overestimation if f is monotonically decreasing on this interval, and an underestimation if it is monotonically increasing.
Jameson said:...
This is where I'll stop and let someone else confirm. Maybe this is where MarkFL was going with his suggestion.
Oh I see I mixed the two up. Do you have another delicious question perhaps? (Thinking)Deveno said:if you are summing over k = 0 to 6, that is a "left-hand sum" (over-estimate).
you are actually using "right-hand sums" (k = 1 to 7), which are under-estimates. this is good, since this means the actual sum (the integral) is larger, which is what you WANT.