Clarification on a topic in Apostol's calculus text

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The discussion revolves around a clarification request regarding "The method of exhaustion for the area of a parabolic segment" as presented in Apostol's calculus text. Participants are particularly focused on understanding the derivation of inequality I.5 and its implications within the context of the text, exploring both theoretical and practical aspects of calculus.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on how to derive inequality I.5 from the preceding equations I.3 and I.4.
  • Another participant requests the specific inequalities that are causing confusion, indicating a lack of access to the text.
  • Some participants suggest using induction as a method to prove inequality I.5, referencing Apostol's guidance on this approach.
  • There is a discussion about whether Apostol's reasoning for writing inequality I.5 is clear, with some suggesting it relates to proving that A = b^3/3.
  • A participant expresses understanding of the derivation of the inequality but questions the reasoning behind Apostol's formulation of it.
  • One participant mentions the potential relevance of Archimedes' work "the method" in understanding the conceptual basis behind the proofs presented in Apostol's text.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the derivation of inequality I.5 and its context within Apostol's work. There is no consensus on the clarity of Apostol's reasoning or the best approach to understanding the inequalities involved.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note limitations in their ability to share specific content from the text due to copyright concerns, which may affect the depth of the discussion. There is also uncertainty about the implications of the inequalities and how they relate to the overall proof of A = b^3/3.

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Hi all,
I am a newbie and this is my first post in PF. I have recently started on learning calculus and I'm using Apostol's calculus-I (second edition). I need some clarification on "The method of exhaustion for the area of a parabolic segment" (I 1.3 page 3). I'm able to follow the author till equation I.4 in page 6. After that there is a statement "For our purposes, we do not need the exact expressions given in the right-hand members of (I.3) and (I.4). All we need are the two inequalities" and there is equation - I.5 after that. Can someone explain me the reason how one can obtain equation I.5 (the inequality equation)?
Thankyou for reading my post
 
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Srichan said:
Hi all,
I am a newbie and this is my first post in PF. I have recently started on learning calculus and I'm using Apostol's calculus-I (second edition). I need some clarification on "The method of exhaustion for the area of a parabolic segment" (I 1.3 page 3). I'm able to follow the author till equation I.4 in page 6. After that there is a statement "For our purposes, we do not need the exact expressions given in the right-hand members of (I.3) and (I.4). All we need are the two inequalities" and there is equation - I.5 after that. Can someone explain me the reason how one can obtain equation I.5 (the inequality equation)?
Thankyou for reading my post
I don't have Apostol's text, so it would be helpful if you told us what the inequalities are that are puzzling you.
 
Thanks for the reply
http://books.google.co.in/books?id=vTpbq0UPDaQC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

above is the link for google book. The derivation for area of parabolic segment starts at page 3 and my doubt is equation I.5 (page 6) which is covered in preview.

I'm not sure how to present the derivation in the forum. I cannot scan or photograph the book as it will be against copyrights. If you find the above google book not appropriate, shall I make a word document reproducing the contents of the book ? please provide your comments
 
Srichan said:
Thanks for the reply
http://books.google.co.in/books?id=vTpbq0UPDaQC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

above is the link for google book. The derivation for area of parabolic segment starts at page 3 and my doubt is equation I.5 (page 6) which is covered in preview.

I'm not sure how to present the derivation in the forum. I cannot scan or photograph the book as it will be against copyrights. If you find the above google book not appropriate, shall I make a word document reproducing the contents of the book ? please provide your comments
"Fair use" would allow you to scan a paragraph or so without violating copyright protection. Best would be to type the inequalities directly into the input pane here. There are a number of symbols available to use when you click the ##\Sigma## button on the green row of icons above the input pane.
 
Apostol himself tells you how to prove inequality 1.5, namely either deduce it from the more precise equalities given prior to it, or use induction to prove it directly. have you tried induction? A remark: if you can't do this fairly easily, then I suspect this may not be the best book for you.
 
mathwonk said:
Apostol himself tells you how to prove inequality 1.5, namely either deduce it from the more precise equalities given prior to it, or use induction to prove it directly. have you tried induction? A remark: if you can't do this fairly easily, then I suspect this may not be the best book for you.
I am able to prove the inequality by induction. I can also understand how the inequality can be derived from I.3 and I.4. I am able to follow till I.4 without any problem. But at I.5, I am not able to understand why the author wrote such a equation. Is that because he already takes A=b^3/3 wants to prove the same?
 
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apostol is using equation 1.5 to prove that A = b^3/3. It seems to me this should be clear from reading his exposition. I.e. he gives an argument to deduce this and says "this is why Archimedes" knew that A = b^3/3. But perhaps you are asking how he thought of it, rather than how he proved it. I.e. perhaps you follow logically every step in Apostol's proof but not how he thought to make those steps. You ask us to tell you "how apostol obtained equation 1.5", but that could mean either how he proved it or how he he thiought of it. Indeed he is not telling you how he thought of these calculations. You might be ijnterested in Archimedes' work "the method" where he shows how he discovered using physics the facts that he afterwards proved logically.
 
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Thankyou mathwonk. I'll go through "the method"
 

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