Proving Integral: $$t-3t^3+t^5\over 1+t^4+t^8$$ $\&$ $$\ln(-\ln t)$$

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of a complex integral involving logarithmic functions and rational expressions. Participants explore various methods to prove the integral's closed form, which is expressed as a product of constants and logarithmic terms.

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  • One participant expresses amazement at the integral's simple closed form and seeks a proof for it.
  • Another suggests factoring the denominator and using partial fraction decomposition to simplify the integral.
  • Some participants discuss the potential confusion regarding the notation of two differential elements, $dt$.
  • One participant proposes an alternative representation of the integral and suggests writing it as a series.
  • Another participant presents a breakdown of the integral into two parts involving logarithmic functions and expresses uncertainty about how to proceed with the evaluation.
  • Further observations indicate that the integrals may not be expressible in terms of elementary functions, suggesting the need for series or other techniques.
  • Participants share specific evaluations of the integrals, providing expressions involving the Gamma function and logarithmic terms.
  • One participant notes that a substitution could lead to a simpler evaluation of the integral.

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There is no consensus on the best method to evaluate the integral, and multiple competing approaches are presented. Participants express uncertainty about the evaluation of the integrals and the applicability of various techniques.

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Some participants mention that the integrals may not be solvable in terms of elementary functions, indicating limitations in the methods discussed. There are also unresolved mathematical steps and dependencies on specific substitutions or transformations.

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Given:

A so-called complicate integral has a such a simple closed form, quite amazed me, but how to prove it, is an other story.

$$\int_{0}^{1}\mathrm dt{t-3t^3+t^5\over 1+t^4+t^8}\cdot \ln(-\ln t) dt=\color{red}{{\pi\over 3\sqrt{3}}}\cdot \color{blue}{\ln 2\over 2}$$

Does anyone know to how prove this integral?
 
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Tony said:
Given:

A so-called complicate integral has a such a simple closed form, quite amazed me, but how to prove it, is an other story.

$$\int_{0}^{1}\mathrm dt{t-3t^3+t^5\over 1+t^4+t^8}\cdot \ln(-\ln t) dt=\color{red}{{\pi\over 3\sqrt{3}}}\cdot \color{blue}{\ln 2\over 2}$$

Does anyone know to how prove this integral?

Well, I'm not saying it will lead anywhere, but it seems hopeful to factor that denominator and create a partial fraction decomposition of that lovely rational expression.

In case it doesn't strike you: $1 + t^{4} + t^{8} = \left(1 + 2t^{4} + t^{8}\right) - t^{4} = \left(1 + t^{4}\right)^{2} - \left(t^{2}\right)^2$

Can you take it from there? It's possible you can do the same thing again and simplify the mess even more. Of course, you'll end up with four integral pieces, but each one may be more tractable.
 
I'm still trying to figure out what the two $dt$'s mean. :confused:
 
greg1313 said:
I'm still trying to figure out what the two $dt$'s mean. :confused:

haha! I totally missed the second one. In any case, since it doesn't really matter if it's there at all if all we're doing is calculating an integral where the context is clear, I'm not disturbed by it. :-)
 
An observation: it can be written as $\displaystyle \int_0^{\infty}\frac{(e^{-2 x} + e^{2 x}-3) \log{x}}{1 + e^{-4 x} + e^{4 x}}\,dx$

It may be worth trying to write it as a series -- perhaps even twice.

Where's this integral from? It's one of the trickiest integrals I've seen.
 
Another observation: The integral can be written as

$$I = \int _0 ^1 \frac{\ln (- \ln x)}{x^2 + x + 1} \mathrm{d}x - \frac{1}{2} \int _0 ^1 \frac{\ln (- \ln x)}{x^2 - x + 1} \mathrm{d}x$$,

but I'm not sure how to continue. It looks like these integrals can't be evaluated in terms of elementary functions and series (or other tricks) should be used, as June29 wrote.
 
Taking the equation given by Theia, define the functions $\mathcal{I}(\lambda)$ and $\mathcal{J}(\lambda)$ as follows:

$\displaystyle \mathcal{I}(\lambda)= \int_0^1 \frac{\log(-\lambda \log(x))}{1+x+x^2}\mathrm{d}x, ~~ \mathcal{J}(\lambda)= -\frac{1}{2}\int_0^1 \frac{\log(-\lambda \log(x))}{1-x+x^2}\mathrm{d}x$,

We have $\displaystyle \mathcal{I}(\lambda) = \frac{\pi \log(\lambda)}{3\sqrt{3}}+\mathcal{I}(1)$ and $\displaystyle \mathcal{J}(\lambda) = -\frac{\pi \log(\lambda)}{3\sqrt{3}}+\mathcal{J}(1)$

I feel like I'm missing something. The constants are so close to the value of the integral (for $\lambda = 2$ ).

But it seems all it's saying is that $\mathcal{I}(\lambda)+\mathcal{J}(\lambda) =\mathcal{I}(1)+\mathcal{J}(1)$ (i.e. the sum $\mathcal{I}+\mathcal{J}$ is independent of $\lambda$).
 
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Theia said:
Another observation: The integral can be written as

$$I = \int _0 ^1 \frac{\ln (- \ln x)}{x^2 + x + 1} \mathrm{d}x - \frac{1}{2} \int _0 ^1 \frac{\ln (- \ln x)}{x^2 - x + 1} \mathrm{d}x$$,

but I'm not sure how to continue. It looks like these integrals can't be evaluated in terms of elementary functions and series (or other tricks) should be used, as June29 wrote.
Forgot to post this, but someone pointed out to me letting $x \mapsto x^2$ in either integral gives us the answer!
 
Theia said:
Another observation: The integral can be written as

$$I = \int _0 ^1 \frac{\ln (- \ln x)}{x^2 + x + 1} \mathrm{d}x - \frac{1}{2} \int _0 ^1 \frac{\ln (- \ln x)}{x^2 - x + 1} \mathrm{d}x$$,

but I'm not sure how to continue. It looks like these integrals can't be evaluated in terms of elementary functions and series (or other tricks) should be used, as June29 wrote.

\[\int _0 ^1 \frac{\ln (- \ln x)}{x^2 + x + 1}\,\mathrm{d}x=\frac{\pi}{\sqrt{3}}\ln\left(\frac{\Gamma(2/3)}{\Gamma(1/3)}\sqrt[3]{2\pi}\right),\]
\[\int _0 ^1 \frac{\ln (- \ln x)}{x^2 - x + 1}\,\mathrm{d}x=\frac{2\pi}{\sqrt{3}}\ln\left(\frac{\sqrt[6]{32\pi^5}}{\Gamma(1/6)}\right).\]
 
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zgsqcy said:
\[\int _0 ^1 \frac{\ln (- \ln x)}{x^2 + x + 1}\,\mathrm{d}x=\frac{\pi}{\sqrt{3}}\ln\left(\frac{\Gamma(2/3)}{\Gamma(1/3)}\sqrt[3]{2\pi}\right),\]
\[\int _0 ^1 \frac{\ln (- \ln x)}{x^2 - x + 1}\,\mathrm{d}x=\frac{2\pi}{\sqrt{3}}\ln\left(\frac{\sqrt[6]{32\pi^5}}{\Gamma(1/6)}\right).\]
It's easier than that. Call the integrals $I$ and $J$ and by letting $x \mapsto x^2$ we have:

$\begin{aligned} I & = \int_{0}^{1}\frac{\log(-\log x)}{x^2+x+1}\,dx \\& = \int_{0}^{1}\frac{2x\left[\log 2+\log(-\log x)\right]}{x^4+x^2+1}\,dx \\& =\frac{\pi\log 2}{3\sqrt{3}}+\int_{0}^{1}\log(-\log x)\left[\frac{1}{x^2-x+1}-\frac{1}{x^2+x+1}\right]\,dx \\& = \frac{\pi\log 2}{3\sqrt{3}}+\int_{0}^{1}\frac{\log(-\log x)}{x^2-x+1}\,dx-\int_{0}^{1}\frac{\log(-\log x)}{x^2+x+1}\,dx\end{aligned}$

Thus $\displaystyle 2I = \frac{\pi\log 2}{3\sqrt{3}}+J.$ Hence $\displaystyle I-\frac{1}{2}J = \frac{\pi\log 2}{6\sqrt{3}}.$
 

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