Proving Let A & B be Square Matrices of n x n & AB = 0n

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The discussion revolves around proving that if two non-zero square matrices A and B of size n x n satisfy the equation AB = 0n, then both determinants, det(A) and det(B), must equal zero. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and theoretical exploration of linear algebra concepts related to matrix properties.

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  • One participant seeks assistance in proving that det(A) and det(B) must both equal zero given AB = 0n.
  • Another participant argues that if det(A) is non-zero, then A is invertible, leading to a contradiction since B must equal the zero matrix, which contradicts the assumption that B is non-zero.
  • A third participant notes that the previous argument implicitly relies on the fact that a matrix is invertible if and only if its determinant is non-zero.
  • One participant adds that the condition is stronger, suggesting that not only must the determinants be zero, but A and B cannot share the same column or row space.
  • Another participant discusses the implications of nullspaces in the context of matrix composition, stating that the nullspace of the product AB being maximal implies that both matrices must have positive-dimensional nullspaces.

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Participants present differing viewpoints on the necessity of both determinants being zero, with some arguing for the proof while others provide additional conditions and implications. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the completeness of the proof and the implications of the conditions stated.

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Participants reference concepts such as invertibility, nullspaces, and the fundamental theorem of linear algebra, indicating that the discussion may depend on specific definitions and assumptions related to these concepts.

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Need some help on how to prove this:

Let A and B be two non-zero square matrices of n x n, if AB = 0n, then det(A) and det(B) must both equal to 0.

I know if det(AB) = 0, then det(A) or det(B) must be 0, but here the question states that they must both be 0.

Appreciate any help, thanks.
 
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Suppose that not both are zero, let's take Det(A) to be nonzero. Then A has an inverse. In the equation:

A B = 0,


multiplying both sides by the inverse of A on the left then gives:

B = 0

But B was assumed to be different from the null matrix. So, we arrive at a contradiction. The assumption that Det(A) is nonzero has to be false!
 
Count Iblis used, without saying it explicitely, the fact that a matrix is invertible if and only if its determinant is non-zero.
 
The condition is even stronger - in addition to having zero determinants, the matrices can't have the same column space (or row space) either.
 
when maps compose, the nullspace is at most as big as the sum of the dimensions of the individual nullspaces. you have a composition whose nullspace is maximal, yet neither individual one was. hence both nullspaces are positive dimensional.

i.e. N(A) was not everything, but N(AB) is everything, so the extra dimensions had to come from N(B).

this is the fundamental theorem of linear algebra, the inverse image under A of a finite dimensional space Y, is larger than Y at most by dimN(A).

it is applied here to Y = N(B), since the nullspace of BA is the inverse image of N(B) under A.

i just taught this topic today.
 

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