Proving Limit with Epsilon and Delta

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves proving that the sequence {an} converges to L=1/2, where an is defined as n²/(2n²+n-1). The discussion centers around the application of the epsilon-delta definition of convergence in the context of sequences.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss how to manipulate the expression |an - L| to find an appropriate N for a given ε. There are attempts to simplify the expression and explore bounds for the sequence. Questions arise regarding the validity of certain inequalities and the implications of changing terms in the expression.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and suggestions for bounding the expression. There is an exploration of different approaches to estimate the limit, and some participants are questioning the correctness of specific inequalities and assumptions made in the reasoning.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of the epsilon-delta definition of convergence and are attempting to clarify the steps needed to establish the limit without providing a complete solution. There is a focus on ensuring that the expressions used are valid for n sufficiently large.

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Homework Statement


Prove the following sequence {an} converges to L=1/2
an = n2/(2n2+n-1)

The Attempt at a Solution


Given ε>0 we can determine an N∈N so that |an - L|<ε for n≥N. We have:
|an-L|=|(n2/(2n2+n-1)-(1/2)|
= |(-n+1)/(2(2n-1)(n+1))|

I'm not sure what to do once I get to this point. Any help would be great!
 
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msell2 said:

Homework Statement


Prove the following sequence {an} converges to L=1/2
an = n2/(2n2+n-1)

The Attempt at a Solution


Given ε>0 we can determine an N∈N so that |an - L|<ε for n≥N. We have:
|an-L|=|(n2/(2n2+n-1)-(1/2)|
= |(-n+1)/(2(2n-1)(n+1))|

I'm not sure what to do once I get to this point. Any help would be great!

If you change the numerator to (+n+1) you can get that fraction to be less or equal to$$
\frac 1 {2(2n-1)}$$What happens if you drop the ##-1## too?

[Edit] Ignore the drop the -1 part. Maybe change the -1 to -n?
 
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In a similar vein, you might want to show that ##0<\frac{n-1}{2(2n-1)}<1## for n>1.
 
The point behind these ideas is that it can be difficult to find N for a given ε unless the expression is quite simple, so you estimate the expression you have with something simpler.

E.g. suppose you wanted to show that 1/(n^2 + 6) -> 0. One way to do this is to note that:

0 < 1/(n^2+6) < 1/n

So, you can take N = 1/ε. Which is much simpler than trying to find a more precise N for the original sequence.

For your example, you want to find a simple expression that is greater than the one you have but still -> 0. That's the strategy, anyway. (See Vela's idea for how to do this.)
 
Thanks for the help! Does this look right?

Given ε>0 we can determine an N\inN so that |an-L|<ε for n≥N. We have:
|an-L|=|\frac{n^{2}}{2n^{2}+n-1}-\frac{1}{2}|=|\frac{2n^{2}}{2(2n^{2}+n-1}-\frac{2n^{2}+n-1}{2(2n^{2}+n-1}|=|\frac{-n+1}{2(2n^{2}+n-1}|=|\frac{-n+1}{2(2n-1)(n+1)}|<ε.
Now take \frac{n-1}{2(2n-1)}. Since n-1>1 when n>1 and since 4n-2 > n-1 > 1 \Rightarrow 0<\frac{n-1}{2(2n-1)}<1 when n>1. As long as we have n>1, we have that |\frac{-n+1}{2(2n-1)(n+1)}|<\frac{n-1}{2(2n-1)}. We want to bound this by ε>0. Take ε>0. If we choose N to be the smallest integer greater than or equal to max{1,1/ε} then we have that, for n≥N:
|\frac{n^{2}}{2n^{2}+n-1}-\frac{1}{2}|<\frac{1}{n}<\frac{1}{N}≤ε
where the last line follows directly if N≥1/ε and is also satisfied for N=1>1/ε since this implies 1/N<ε.
 
msell2 said:
Thanks for the help! Does this look right?

Given ε>0 we can determine an N\inN so that |an-L|<ε for n≥N. We have:
|an-L|=|\frac{n^{2}}{2n^{2}+n-1}-\frac{1}{2}|=|\frac{2n^{2}}{2(2n^{2}+n-1}-\frac{2n^{2}+n-1}{2(2n^{2}+n-1}|=|\frac{-n+1}{2(2n^{2}+n-1}|=|\frac{-n+1}{2(2n-1)(n+1)}|<ε.
Now take \frac{n-1}{2(2n-1)}. Since n-1>1 when n>1 and since 4n-2 > n-1 > 1 \Rightarrow 0<\frac{n-1}{2(2n-1)}<1 when n>1. As long as we have n>1, we have that |\frac{-n+1}{2(2n-1)(n+1)}|<\frac{n-1}{2(2n-1)}.
Is that last inequality what you intended?

We want to bound this by ε>0. Take ε>0. If we choose N to be the smallest integer greater than or equal to max{1,1/ε} then we have that, for n≥N:
|\frac{n^{2}}{2n^{2}+n-1}-\frac{1}{2}|<\frac{1}{n}<\frac{1}{N}≤ε
where the last line follows directly if N≥1/ε and is also satisfied for N=1>1/ε since this implies 1/N<ε.
 
What is wrong with that inequality?
 
How are you going from
msell2 said:
\lvert \frac{-n+1}{2(2n-1)(n+1)} \rvert &lt; \frac{n-1}{2(2n-1)}
to
We want to bound this by ε>0. Take ε>0. If we choose N to be the smallest integer greater than or equal to max{1,1/ε} then we have that, for n≥N:
\lvert \frac{n^{2}}{2n^{2}+n-1}-\frac{1}{2}\rvert &lt; \frac{1}{n} &lt; \frac{1}{N}≤\varepsilon
where the last line follows directly if N≥1/ε and is also satisfied for N=1>1/ε since this implies 1/N<ε.
 
n-1< 4n -2 => 1<3n which is true for n>1 get it?
 

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