Proving Magnitude & Phase of H(e^jw)

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The discussion focuses on proving the magnitude and phase of the transfer function H(e^jw) = (1 - 1.25e^(-jw))/(1 - 0.8e^(-jw)). The magnitude squared is established as |H(e^jw)|^2 = 1.5625, leading to a magnitude G = 1.25. The phase is computed by determining the angles of the numerator and denominator phasors, with the total phase being the difference between these angles. The analysis reveals that the magnitude corresponds to the ratio of the magnitudes of the phasors involved.

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Homework Statement



H(e^jw) = (1-1.25e^(-jw))/(1-0.8e^(-jw))

Prove |H(e^jw)|^2 = G^2, and what is G
Find Magnitude & Phase

Homework Equations



H(e^jw) = (e^(jw)-1.25)/(e^(jw)-0.8)

H(e^jw) = 1 - (0.45e^(-jw))/(1-0.8e^(-jw))

H(e^jw) = 1 - 0.45/(e^(jw)-0.8)

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I don't know how to approch this question. I can rewrite H(e^jw) in 4 different formats, but none of which make me understand how to attempt to get the magnitude in the first place.
 
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H(e^jw) = (1-1.25e^(-jw))/(1-0.8e^(-jw))
this would be:$$H(e^{j\omega})=\frac{1-(1.25)e^{-j\omega}}{1-(0.8)e^{-j\omega}}$$

What is the definition of the magnitude of a complex exponential/number?
 
Simon Bridge said:
H(e^jw) = (1-1.25e^(-jw))/(1-0.8e^(-jw))
this would be:$$H(e^{j\omega})=\frac{1-(1.25)e^{-j\omega}}{1-(0.8)e^{-j\omega}}$$

What is the definition of the magnitude of a complex exponential/number?



$$Magnitude = \sqrt{Re(z)^2 + Im(z)^2}$$
 
Great - so all you need to do is identify the real and imaginary parts of ##H(e^{j\omega})## ... how do you do that?
Hint: the exponential describes a phasor.
 
Because |Z|^2 = z * zbar

we have
$$|H(e^{j\omega})|^2=(\frac{1-(1.25)e^{-j\omega}}{1-(0.8)e^{-j\omega}})(\frac{1-(1.25)e^{j\omega}}{1-(0.8)e^{j\omega}})$$

substituting
$$x=e^{j\omega}$$

$$|H(e^{j\omega})|^2=(\frac{1-(1.25)x^-1}{1-(0.8)x^-1})(\frac{1-(1.25)x}{1-(0.8)x})$$

$$|H(e^{j\omega})|^2=(\frac{1-(1.25)x^-1-(1.25)x + 1.25^2}{1-(0.8)x^-1-(0.8)x+0.8^2})(\frac{x}{x})$$

$$|H(e^{j\omega})|^2=\frac{x-(1.25)-(1.25)x^2 + 1.25^2x}{x-(0.8)-(0.8)x^2+0.8^2x}$$

$$|H(e^{j\omega})|^2=\frac{-1.25}{-0.80}\frac{x^2 + 2.05x - 1}{x^2 + 2.05x -1}$$

$$|H(e^{j\omega})|^2=\frac{-1.25}{-0.80} = 1.5625$$

$$|H(e^{j\omega})|= G = 1.25 = magnitude$$

I got the Phase by computing the two angles, one on top with arctan (Im/Re), and the one on bottom, then phase total = top - bottom.
 
See - you didn't need me :)
Hmmm ... I notice that 1.25 is the magnitude of one of the phasors in the combination which is a little startling. The second to last line says that the magnitude is the square-root of the ratio of the magnitudes of the phasors. You could explore to see if this is a general result or just a judicious choice of amplitudes.

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Some latex notes (just sayin'):
you can use \left ( <some stuff> \right ) to fit brackets around the bigger stuff so
\left ( \frac{q}{p-1} \right ) gives you $$\left ( \frac{q}{p-1} \right )$$

the complex conjugate is usually better represented by a star notation as in ##z^*## or ##z^\star## - the bar gets tricky to typeset after a bit and you risk confusing ##z_{ave}=\bar{z}## ...
 
I've never used latex before I just quoted yours and edited it as needed but I'll keep it in mind for the future. Thx
 
You did well at that too :) Most people just go "meh".
Them I don't usually bother to give pointers ;)
 

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