Proving Orbit Derivation in External Gravitational Field

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The discussion centers on proving the derivation of orbits in an external uniform gravitational field using Lagrangian mechanics. Participants confirm that the reduction of two-body problems to an equivalent one-body problem remains valid regardless of the potential form, including the influence of an external gravitational field. The key to the proof lies in explicitly substituting the change of variables into the Lagrangian. This approach allows for a clear demonstration of the equivalence despite the presence of external forces.

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Hey everyone,
I need to prove something explictly, problem is, i don't know where to start.
In orbits, we can show that the motion of 2 bodies interacting with each other only by central forces can be reduced to a an equivalent one-body problem. This is by using a Lagrangian, and by introducing an 'equivalent' mass.
The question is to show that this is possible even if these bodies are in an external uniform gravitational field.
I don't know where to start. I can't see how a gravitational field will affect the Lagrangian, because a graviatational field will just affect the potential energy term. This isn't really solving it explicity though...
any ideas where to start?
Cheers
 
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bemigh said:
Hey everyone,
I need to prove something explictly, problem is, i don't know where to start.
In orbits, we can show that the motion of 2 bodies interacting with each other only by central forces can be reduced to a an equivalent one-body problem. This is by using a Lagrangian, and by introducing an 'equivalent' mass.
The question is to show that this is possible even if these bodies are in an external uniform gravitational field.
I don't know where to start. I can't see how a gravitational field will affect the Lagrangian, because a graviatational field will just affect the potential energy term. This isn't really solving it explicity though...
any ideas where to start?
Cheers

If I'm following your argument correctly, you've made the correct connection. The process by which the coordinates are modified to produce an equivalent one body problem do not depend on a specific form of a potential, so the process will still go through. All you should have to do to prove the process is possible is to input the change of variables into the Lagrangian explicitly.

-Dan
 

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