Proving Properties of 2x2 Matrices

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The discussion revolves around proving properties of 2x2 matrices, specifically focusing on three main problems related to matrix operations and characteristics. Participants explore theoretical aspects and mathematical reasoning without reaching definitive conclusions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that if A is a 2x2 matrix with a main diagonal sum of zero, then A^2 is a scalar matrix.
  • Another participant provides a specific form for matrix A and asks what results from squaring it.
  • There is a challenge to prove that the sum of the entries of the main diagonal of AB-BA is zero, with participants providing their calculations for AB-BA.
  • A participant expresses confusion about how the sum of the diagonal entries equals zero, presenting their calculated entries for AB-BA.
  • Another participant corrects the previous calculations, providing their own expressions for the diagonal entries of AB-BA.
  • There is a clarification regarding the third problem, where a participant notes that the "given" part is not actually given and questions whether matrices A and B in part 3 are the same as in parts 1 and 2.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the proofs or the implications of their findings. There are multiple competing views and ongoing clarifications regarding the calculations and assumptions made in the problems.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the implications of their calculations and the relationships between the matrices in the different parts of the discussion. There are unresolved mathematical steps and dependencies on definitions that remain unclear.

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1. A is a matrix of order 2x2 whose main diagonal's entries' sum is zero. Prove that A^2 is a scalar matrix.

2. Given: A and B are two matrices of order 2x2. Prove that the sum of the entries of the main diagonal of AB-BA is zero.

3. A, B and C are three matrices of order 2x2. Given: A^2 is a scalar matrix and the sum of the entries of the main diagonal of AB-BA is zero. Prove that C (AB-BA) ^2= (AB-BA) ^2*C?
 
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Hi and welcome to MHB! What have you tried for each of these? Which one would you like to start with?
 
MathHelpBoardsUser said:
1. A is a matrix of order 2x2 whose main diagonal's entries' sum is zero. Prove that A^2 is a scalar matrix.
A is of the form $\begin{bmatrix}a & b \\ c & -a\end{bmatrix}$ What do you get when you square that?
2. Given: A and B are two matrices of order 2x2. Prove that the sum of the entries of the main diagonal of AB-BA is zero.
Let $A= \begin{bmatrix}a & b \\ c & d\end{bmatrix}$ and let $B= \begin{bmatrix}p & q \\ r & s\end{bmatrix}$. What is AB- BA?

3. A, B and C are three matrices of order 2x2. Given: A^2 is a scalar matrix and the sum of the entries of the main diagonal of AB-BA is zero. Prove that C (AB-BA) ^2= (AB-BA) ^2*C?
If $A= \begin{bmatrix}a & b \\ c & d\end{bmatrix}$ then $A^2= \begin{bmatrix}a^2+ bc & ab+ bd \\ ac+ cd & bc+ d^2\end{bmatrix}$. Since $A^2$ is a "scalar matrix" $A^2= \begin{bmatrix}P & 0 \\ 0 & P^2\end{bmatrix}$ so $a^2+ bc= bc+ d^2= P$, $ab+ bd= ac+ cd= 0$.
 
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County Boy said:
A is of the form $\begin{bmatrix}a & b \\ c & -a\end{bmatrix}$ What do you get when you square that?
Let $A= \begin{bmatrix}a & b \\ c & d\end{bmatrix}$ and let $B= \begin{bmatrix}p & q \\ r & s\end{bmatrix}$. What is AB- BA?If $A= \begin{bmatrix}a & b \\ c & d\end{bmatrix}$ then $A^2= \begin{bmatrix}a^2+ bc & ab+ bd \\ ac+ cd & bc+ d^2\end{bmatrix}$. Since $A^2$ is a "scalar matrix" $A^2= \begin{bmatrix}P & 0 \\ 0 & P^2\end{bmatrix}$ so $a^2+ bc= bc+ d^2= P$, $ab+ bd= ac+ cd= 0$.

Thank you very much for the response, sir.
In regard to #2 -- I calculated AB-BA.
However, I did not see how the sum of the two entries in the diagonal equal zero.

I obtained the following entries:

a11= rb-cp
a22=qc-dp

How should I proceed?
 
MathHelpBoardsUser said:
Thank you very much for the response, sir.
In regard to #2 -- I calculated AB-BA.
However, I did not see how the sum of the two entries in the diagonal equal zero.

I obtained the following entries:

a11= rb-cp
a22=qc-dp

How should I proceed?
You need to look at that again.
I get [math](AB - BA)_{11} = (ap + br) - (ap + cq) = br - cq[/math] and [math](AB - BA)_{22} = (cq + ds) - (br + ds) = cq - br[/math]

-Dan
 
topsquark said:
You need to look at that again.
I get [math](AB - BA)_{11} = (ap + br) - (ap + cq) = br - cq[/math] and [math](AB - BA)_{22} = (cq + ds) - (br + ds) = cq - br[/math]

-Dan
I obtained the same result.
Thank you very much :)

Also, my bad. The "given" part in the 3rd question is not given.
The question is written as follows:

A, B and C are three matrices of order 2x2. Prove that C (AB-BA) ^2= (AB-BA) ^2*C.
You can use the results obtained in parts 1 and 2 in order to solve part 3.
Does this mean that A and B in part 3 are the same matrices used in parts 1 and 2 (as in, matrix's A diagonal's entries' sum is zero)?
 

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