Proving Square is an Infinite Set

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The discussion revolves around proving that the set of square numbers, defined as Square = {x ∈ N|∃y : N. x = y^2}, is an infinite set. Participants are exploring the definitions and properties of injections and surjections in the context of this set.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the nature of injections and how to demonstrate that a function is not a surjection. There are attempts to define specific functions and clarify the mapping of elements within the set of square numbers.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the definition of injections and questioning how to establish the lack of surjectivity. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of the mappings, but no consensus has been reached on the overall proof.

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There are mentions of potential confusion regarding the notation and definitions used in the problem statement, as well as issues with character rendering in the discussion.

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Homework Statement



Prove that Square = {x ∈ N|∃y : N. x = y^2} is an infinite set.


Homework Equations



Definition 0.1. A set A is infinite if there is an injection f : A → A that is not also a surjection.

The Attempt at a Solution



I get how to show that there is an injection, but i don't get how to show that it is also not a surjection
 
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What injection are you looking at?
 
to prove the injection i thought u could do something like this

f(x) = f(y) for arbitrary x and y in N, then x^2 = y^2 and so x = y. and that proves an injection
 
amiv4 said:

Homework Statement



Prove that Square = {x ∈ N|∃y : N. x = y^2} is an infinite set.
What is the above supposed to be saying?
amiv4 said:

Homework Equations



Definition 0.1. A set A is infinite if there is an injection f : A → A that is not also a surjection.

The Attempt at a Solution



I get how to show that there is an injection, but i don't get how to show that it is also not a surjection
 
would it be that like 0 maps to 0, 1 to 1, 2 to 4, 3 to 9... so that shows injection but then like 5 doesn't map back to anything
 
Except you're supposed to have a map that goes from the set of squares to the set of squares. But the function that you're looking at will still work
 
so would it be like 4 mapped to 16 is an injection but if you go the other way 16 doesn't map back to 4 and that is why it isn't a surjection
 
What set is this? {x ∈ N|∃y : N. x = y^2}

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it is bascially the set of square numbers
 

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