Proving that the parity of a permutation is well defined.

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The discussion revolves around the concept of proving that the parity of a permutation is well defined, particularly in the context of algebra and group theory. Participants explore various proofs and definitions related to the sign of a permutation, including the use of transpositions and the number of inversions.

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  • One participant critiques the common proof method for establishing the parity of permutations, describing it as "ugly and clumsy" and inquiring about alternative, shorter proofs that do not rely on the "moving" argument.
  • Another participant presents a definition of the sign of a permutation and argues that it seems inherently well defined based on the number of inversions, questioning the need for further proof.
  • Some participants note that the definition of the sign is not universally accepted and reference Wikipedia for alternative proofs that establish the equivalence of different definitions of sign.
  • A later reply suggests that proving the equivalence of definitions may not align with the original question posed by the first participant.

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Participants express differing views on the adequacy and clarity of existing proofs for the well-defined nature of permutation parity. There is no consensus on a preferred proof method, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to the topic.

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Some assumptions about definitions and the equivalence of various proofs are not explicitly stated, which may affect the clarity of the discussion. The reliance on specific definitions of the sign of a permutation is also noted as a potential limitation.

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All the proofs I have seen for this theorem uses the same argument: First prove that the identity permutation has even parity. Then let a be (one of) the first elements to appear in a transposition representation of a permutation in Sn. Then identify all the other transpositions in the representation that also feature a and play with the order and such using two defined "moves" that "move" a in a specified direction. Since only a finite number of transpositions feature a, we can eventually cancel two, leaving us with a representation of 2 less transpositions. The theorem follows by an induction argument.

I think this is a somewhat ugly and clumsy proof, probably my least favorite in my algebra book. Does anyone know if there exists another, shorter proof, which does not invoke this "moving" argument?
 
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espen180 said:
All the proofs I have seen for this theorem uses the same argument: First prove that the identity permutation has even parity. Then let a be (one of) the first elements to appear in a transposition representation of a permutation in Sn. Then identify all the other transpositions in the representation that also feature a and play with the order and such using two defined "moves" that "move" a in a specified direction. Since only a finite number of transpositions feature a, we can eventually cancel two, leaving us with a representation of 2 less transpositions. The theorem follows by an induction argument.

I think this is a somewhat ugly and clumsy proof, probably my least favorite in my algebra book. Does anyone know if there exists another, shorter proof, which does not invoke this "moving" argument?


If \sigma\in S_n is a permutation, the DEFINITION of the sign of \sigma is Syg(\sigma):=\prod_{1\leq i< j\leq n}\frac{i-j}{\sigma(i)-\sigma(j)} .

I can't see how the above can't be well defined: the above is 1 if the number of inversions in the order of each pair (i,j) in the image of \sigma is even,

and -1 otherwise. What is there to proof?

DonAntonio
 
Assuming that is given as the definition of sign, which it isn't always

Wikipedia discusses the equivalence of the two definitions and gives several elegant proofs in my opinion (which equivalently can be thought of as proving that the sign is well defined in the number of transpositions sense)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parity_of_a_permutation
 
Office_Shredder said:
Assuming that is given as the definition of sign, which it isn't always

Wikipedia discusses the equivalence of the two definitions and gives several elegant proofs in my opinion (which equivalently can be thought of as proving that the sign is well defined in the number of transpositions sense)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parity_of_a_permutation



Well, then it may be what you wrote in the last lines: take one definition and prove that another one is equivalent to it.

This though wasn't what the OP wanted, at least from what I can understand in his question.

DonAntonio
 

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