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It is asked from me to proove that dy/dx x^ n = nx^n-1 without using the binominal theorem... any ideas?
The discussion revolves around proving the derivative of the function x^n, specifically demonstrating that dy/dx of x^n equals nx^(n-1) without employing the binomial theorem. Participants explore various methods including induction, integration, and the use of limits.
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JasonRox said:Integrating it would be a good approach.
Use the idea that (x^n-a^n) = (x-a)(x^n-1 + x^n-2*a ... + a^n-1)
Use the basic definition of a limit, and you get the left side as I showed above, then re-write it as the one on the right side, than you can cross (x-a) out if you use the appropriate definition (x->a).
Then the right side is simply a geometric series, so sum that up and you get na^(n-1).
matt grime said:just divide by x-a and the LHS in the limit is the derivative, do not just "cross it out"
it is not a geometric series (except in the trivial sense), it is simply a sum x^{n-1}+x^{n-1}+..+x^{n-1} with n terms in it that are all the same.
Tide said:How about this? We know that [itex]x^n = x x^{n-1}[/itex] and using the chain rule it follows that
[tex]D_n = x^{n-1} + x D_{n-1}[/tex]
where [itex]D_n[/itex] stands for
[tex]\frac {d}{dx} x^n[/tex]
Now just follow the recursion on [itex]D_{n-1}[/itex] all the way down to [itex]D_0 = 0[/itex] and you obtain your result with n identical terms of [itex]x^{n-1}[/itex]. QED