Proving the Existence of Fixed Points in Compact Metric Spaces

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The discussion revolves around proving the existence of fixed points for continuous functions on compact metric spaces, particularly under the condition that the function contracts distances between distinct points. Participants explore various approaches to establish this proof, including references to the Banach contraction mapping theorem and the properties of Cauchy sequences. Additionally, a side discussion emerges regarding the properties of certain metric spaces related to second countability and separability.

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  • One participant proposes to prove the existence of a fixed point by assuming that no such point exists and leveraging the compactness of the space.
  • Another participant suggests that the problem is a special case of the Banach contraction mapping theorem and outlines a potential proof involving convergence of a sequence defined by iterating the function.
  • A participant mentions the necessity of showing that a sequence is Cauchy to conclude convergence, but expresses uncertainty about the assumptions made regarding convergence to a specific point.
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  • Further questions are posed regarding the properties of specific metric spaces, particularly whether they satisfy conditions of second countability and separability, with some participants discussing the implications of these properties.
  • References to the triangle inequality and the use of dense subsets in metric spaces are made as part of the exploration of the second countability and separability of certain spaces.

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Participants express differing views on the validity of certain assumptions and the clarity of the arguments presented. There is no consensus on the best approach to proving the existence of fixed points, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the properties of the metric spaces in question.

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I need to prove that for every continuous function f:X->X of a metric and compact space X, which satisfy for each two different x and y in X p(f(x),f(y))<p(x,y) where p is the metric on X, there's a fixed point, i.e there exist x0 s.t f(x0)=x0.

obviously i thought assuming there isn't such a point i.e that for every x in X f(x)!=x
now because X is compact and it's a metric space it's equivalent to sequence compactness, i.e that for every sequence of X there exist a subsequence of it that converges to x0.

now p(f(x_{n_k}),x_{n_k}), because they are not equal then there exist e0 such that: p(f(x_{n_k}),x_{n_k})&gt;=e0
now if x_n_k=f(y_n_k) y_n_k!=x_n_k, we can write it as:
p(x_n_k,x0)+p(x0,y_n_k)>=p(x_n_k,y_n_k)>e0
now if y_n_k were converging to x0, it will be easier, not sure how to procceed...

what do you think?
 
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This is a special case of the Banach contraction mapping theorem. A proof would go as follows: Let x0 be any point in X, and let xn=f(xn-1) for n>1. Claim: {x_n} converges.

Post back if you need more hints.
 
well cauchy sequnce obviously will do here.
p(f(x_n),f(x_{n_k}))&lt;p(x_n,x_n_k)=p(f(x_{n-1}),f(x_{n_k-1}))&lt;p(x_{n-1},x_{n_k-1})&lt;...&lt;p(x_0,x_{n_k-n})
now if x_{n_k-n} converges to x_0 (which can be assumed cause it's compact and metric), it will be easy to prove your claim, cause then for every e>0 s.t k is big enough:
p(x_0,x_{n_k-1})<e/2 and also p(x0,x_{n_k-n})<e/2
so p(x_n-1,x0)<=p(f(x_n),f(x_n_k))+p(f(x_n_k),x0)<...<e.

is this wrong? I have a sneaky suspicion that yes.
 
If n > n_k, then x_{n_k - n} doesn't make sense. Also I don't see how you can assume that "x_{n_k-n} converges to x_0", because it isn't true.

You started out with the right idea. Let n>m, and consider p(xn, xm). Show that we can make this arbitrarily small. This would imply that {xn} is Cauchy and hence convergent (because X is compact). Then we can use the continuity of f to conclude that f has a fixed point (how?).
 
well, p(xn,xm)<p(xn-1,xm-1)<...<p(xn-m,x0)
now how do i procceed from here?
I mean if I assume n-m is big enough, s.t x_n-m->x0 then that will do, not sure that this is correct...
 
I have another two questions, I need to answer if the next spaces satisfy S2 or Sep, the spaces are with they metrics affiliated with them, in here:
http://www.math.tau.ac.il/~shustin/course/tar5top.xet.pdf
in questions 4,5 (disregard the herbew words near them) there listed the spaces.

well what i think is that because if a space is metric and it satisfies S2 then it also satisifes S2, and always when S2 is satisifes then also Sep is satisifed, then it's easy to check fo Sep, i think it follows that for the first the space follows both of them, while in the second it doesn't satisify either of them.

not sure how argue that?
I mean can I find a countable basis for the C^k[0,1]?
or a countable dense set in it?
what do you think?
 
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loop quantum gravity said:
well, p(xn,xm)<p(xn-1,xm-1)<...<p(xn-m,x0)
now how do i procceed from here?
I mean if I assume n-m is big enough, s.t x_n-m->x0 then that will do, not sure that this is correct...
To finish off, you can use the triangle inequality
\rho(x_{n-m},x_0) &lt; \rho(x_{n-m},x_{n-m-1}) + \rho(x_{n-m-1}, x_{n-m-2}) + \cdots + \rho(x_1, x_0)
coupled with the observation that
\rho(x_n, x_{n-1}) &lt; \rho(x_1, x_0).
 
As for your other question: I'm guessing S_2 means second countable (has a countable basis) and Sep means separable (has a countable dense subset), right?

And you have the right idea: a metric space is separable iff it's second countable. I would use separability here. For C^k[0,1], try to see if Weierstrauss's theorem is helpful. For l_2, I would think about the subspace consisting of sequences with only finitely many terms. This is certainly dense in l_2, but is it countable? No. So how about we restrict these sequences to those with rational terms?
 
it seems eventually that munkres has a similar questions with hints which were helpful.
 

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