Proving the Existence of One-Sided Limits at Maximum Points in Calculus

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The discussion revolves around the proof of the existence of one-sided limits at maximum points in calculus, specifically in the context of differentiability and the implications of a function being at a maximum or minimum. Participants explore the conditions under which one-sided limits exist and how they relate to differentiability, using examples and theoretical reasoning.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about Spivak's theorem regarding differentiability at maximum points and the implications for one-sided limits.
  • Another participant questions how Spivak defines a "differentiable" function and suggests that the existence of the two-sided limit implies the existence of one-sided limits.
  • A participant proposes that if a function has a maximum at a point but is not differentiable, the condition that [f(x+h) - f(x)] / h is ≤ 0 does not necessarily imply the existence of the one-sided limit as h approaches 0 from above.
  • An example is provided where a function has a maximum but does not have a limit at that point, illustrating that the limit can fail to exist despite the function being bounded above.
  • It is noted that differentiability at a point implies continuity, which introduces additional considerations in the discussion.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of differentiability and the existence of one-sided limits, with no consensus reached on whether one-sided limits must exist under certain conditions.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of differentiability and the behavior of functions at maximum points, particularly in cases where differentiability does not hold.

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Hello everyone! I'm studying out of Spivak's calculus on my own and ran into a problem I can't explain on Theorem 1 of Chapter 11 (of the third edition). It's probably a very simple problem (Spivak calls it an easy theorem), but I'm still at a roadblock.

Spivak wants to prove that if f is a function defined on (a,b), f is differentiable at x, and x is a maximum (or minimum) point for f on (a,b), then f'(x) = 0.

Spivak shows that, if h>0, then [f(x+h) - f(x)] / h ≤ 0. This implies that the one-sided limit, as h approaches 0 from above, of [f(x+h) - f(x)] / h ≤ 0. (Sorry, I'm not sure about how to do the limit notation on the computer).

I wasn't sure how he made the leap that: because that function is ≤ 0, the one-sided limit is ≤ 0. I used a proof by contradiction to show that, if the one-sided limit exists, it must be ≤ 0, but this is assuming it exists. So my main issue is that I don't know how we can prove that the one-sided limit exists.

I was thinking of using the given fact that f is differentiable at x to show that the one-sided limit must exist. However, Spivak doesn't use this argument, and also I was thinking: even if the two-sided limit at a maximum did not exist, the one-sided limits would still exist, right? (but not be equal to each other). So I was wondering if there was any way to prove that the one-sided limit exists without using the differentiability of the function at x.

Thanks for any input
 
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CRichard said:
Spivak wants to prove that if f is a function defined on (a,b), f is differentiable at x, and x is a maximum (or minimum) point for f on (a,b), then f'(x) = 0.
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I was thinking of using the given fact that f is differentiable at x to show that the one-sided limit must exist. However, Spivak doesn't use this argument...
Hmm. First thought — how does Spivak define a "differentiable" function?
 
Spivak defines a function as differentiable at x if the limit, as h approaches 0, of [f(x+h) - f(x)] / h exists. In this way, I think that you could say that the one-sided limit must exist because this 2-sided limit exists at x (by virtue of the function being differentiable at x).

But I was more wondering: if the function has a maximum at x but is not differentiable at x, then does [f(x+h) - f(x)] / h being ≤ 0 imply that the limit, as h approaches 0 from above, of [f(x+h) - f(x)] / h is ≤ 0? And if so, why?
 
CRichard said:
But I was more wondering: if the function has a maximum at x but is not differentiable at x, then does [f(x+h) - f(x)] / h being ≤ 0 imply that the limit, as h approaches 0 from above, of [f(x+h) - f(x)] / h is ≤ 0? And if so, why?

With those conditions, the limit doesn't even need to exist. For example
f(x) = 1-x if x is rational and x >= 0,
f(x) = 0 if x is irrational or x < 0

Clearly f(x) has a maximum value of 1 when x = 0.

For any h > 0, (f(0+h) - f(0))/h < 0, because f(0) = 1 and f(0+h) < 1, but the limit at x = 0 does not exist.

On the other hand, if a function is differentiable at a point, it is also continuous at that point, which is a different ball-game.
 
Thanks! That makes sense to me now
 

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