Proving the Intersection of Functions

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The discussion revolves around the proof of the intersection of functions, specifically whether the intersection of two functions can be defined as a function itself. Participants explore definitions, provide examples, and question the validity of the claim.

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  • One participant attempts to construct a proof for the intersection of functions, considering cases where the inputs are equal or not.
  • Another participant questions the definition of the intersection of functions, seeking clarification on what is meant by f ∩ g.
  • A participant suggests discussing the problem in terms of set theory, proposing that the intersection defines a new relation that could satisfy the definition of a function.
  • Concerns are raised about the validity of the intersection claim, with a counterexample provided that shows a scenario where the intersection does not map correctly.
  • Discussion includes a mention that unions of functions do not yield a function unless the domains are disjoint.
  • Participants express apprehension about declaring something as incorrect in the context of a homework assignment.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the validity of the intersection claim, with some supporting the notion that it may not hold true based on provided examples and counterarguments. No consensus is reached on the correctness of the intersection of functions.

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Participants highlight the need for precise definitions and the implications of set operations on functions, noting that the discussion may depend on specific interpretations of function intersections and unions.

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Prove the following:

If [tex]f : A \rightarrow B[/tex] and [tex]g : C \rightarrow D[/tex], then [tex]f \cap g : A \cap C \rightarrow B \cap D[/tex].

Here's my thoughts/attempt:

Proof:
Let A, B, C, and D be sets. Assume [tex]f : A \rightarrow B[/tex] and [tex]g : C \rightarrow D[/tex]. Let [tex]a \in A[/tex]. Since f is a function from A to B, there is some [tex]y \in B[/tex] such that [tex](a, y) \in f[/tex]. Let [tex]b \in B[/tex] be such an element, that is, let [tex]b \in B[/tex] such that [tex](a,b) \in f[/tex]. Let [tex]c \in C[/tex]. Since g is a function from C to D, there is some [tex]z \in D[/tex] such that [tex](c, z) \in g[/tex]. Let [tex]d \in D[/tex] be such an element, that is, let [tex]d \in D[/tex] such that [tex](c,d) \in g[/tex].



This is all I have so far.

Would I have to break it into cases where [tex]a = c[/tex] and [tex]a \not= c[/tex]? If [tex]a = c[/tex], [tex]A \cap C[/tex] contains an element, but if [tex]a \not= c[/tex], [tex]A \cap C[/tex] is empty since a and c were arbitrary. The same argument holds for [tex]B \cap D[/tex]. So, taking these things into account, [tex]f \cap g[/tex] is either a function from the set containing a to the set containing b, or its a function from the empty set to the empty set.

Does this make any sense, is it necessary, and how should I write it in my proof?

Thanks in advance.
 
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What, exactly, is your definition of [itex]f \cap g[/itex]?
 
I'm guessing just the normal definition of intersection of sets.

All the ordered pairs that are common to both f and g.
 
Just talk in terms of set theoretics. f is a set, g is a set. Show that the intersection of f and g defines a new relation on (A intersect C)x(B intersect D) that satisfies the definition of a function. (for every x in A intersect C there is some y in B intersect D such that (x,y) in the relation and that for any x in A intersect C this y is unique.)

What happens if we take unions? Do we still get a new function?

Also, no one really talks about functions this way (intersections and unions).
 
Well, one of our earlier assignments was to disprove the case when we took unions.

So I know that you don't get a function when you take f union g.



I'm still not convinced that the intersection claim is correct though.

Earlier, on another forum, someone came up with the counterexample:
[tex]A = \left\{ {1,2,4} \right\}\,,\,B = \left\{ {p.q,r} \right\}\,,\,C = \left\{ {2,4,6} \right\}\,\& \,D = \left\{ {r,s,t} \right\}[/tex]
[tex]f:A \mapsto B,\quad f = \left\{ {(1,p),(2,r),(4,q)} \right\}[/tex]
[tex]g:C \mapsto D,\quad g = \left\{ {(2,r),(4,t),(6,s)} \right\}[/tex]

But [tex]f \cap g = \left\{ {(2,r)} \right\}[/tex] while [tex]A \cap C = \left\{ {2,4} \right\}[/tex] clearly [tex]f \cap g:A \cap C \not{\mapsto} B \cap D[/tex]
There is no mapping for the term 4.
 
ZioX said:
Also, no one really talks about functions this way (intersections and unions).
Unless you're working in an algebra of relations, in which case the operation is fairly natural.
 
Well there you go: it's not true.

Unions are functions when the domains are disjoint.
 
i'm always afraid to write a "this is wrong"

on a homework assignment that says "prove the following theorem"

Scares me.
 

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