Proving the validity of this argument

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The discussion revolves around the validity of a logical argument concerning the relationship between sales, expenses, and the boss's happiness. Participants explore the implications of the premises and the construction of a truth table to analyze the argument's validity.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an argument structured with premises about sales (S), expenses (E), and the boss's happiness (B), questioning how to analyze it using a truth table.
  • Another participant challenges the assumption that sales and expenses are mutually exclusive, suggesting that in many business models, both can increase simultaneously depending on context.
  • A later reply emphasizes the need for a truth table to determine validity, suggesting a simpler approach with fewer rows based on the premises provided.
  • Another participant proposes that the disjunction of S and E may be unnecessary and points out potential confusion regarding the interpretation of "either" as an exclusive or.
  • One participant constructs a truth table and concludes that the argument is valid, noting that no rows show all true values with a false conclusion.
  • Another participant agrees on the validity of the argument but suggests that the analysis has been overcomplicated, reiterating that only three rows should be considered based on the premises.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the assumptions of the argument, particularly regarding the relationship between sales and expenses. While some agree on the validity of the argument, others contest the premises and the interpretation of the logical structure.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the interpretation of terms like "either" may affect the logical analysis, and there is uncertainty regarding the necessity of certain premises in the truth table construction.

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Either sales or expenses will go up. If sales go up, then the boss will be happy. If expenses go up, then the boss will be unhappy. Therefore, sales and expenses will not both go up.

How would I go about breaking this apart? My attempt goes like this

S- be sales go up
E- expenses go up
B-boss be happy

premise 1. S v E
premise 2. S→B
premise 3. E→~B

∴ ~(SΛ E)

what is a bit confusing is that it has two separate if statements. So I assume their two separate premises? If not, then why?
 
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Hey bonfire09.

This is too much of a simplistic assumption.

Often expenses do go up as the business grows or needs to increase resources for further demand. It's not a simple thing where both things are mutually exclusive and inverses of each other.

It depends also on the model used for producing the core goods and services.

For example in a factory environment, it is required that the business pay initially for constructing the factory and getting all of the equipment, as well as paying for compulsory employee wages and operation of the factory.

But often in these models, what happens is that after a certain point, producing more actually costs pennies on the dollar in comparison to the cost of producing things before that cutoff so if there is demand for this above the cutoff, this is economical due to the nature of how and what is being produced.

But some things don't work like that. For example if you say run some kind of consultancy business that offers 1 on 1 service for clients, then it means that more people are needed to provide more service if the other employees are unable to meet the needs with respect to either time or other resources.

So in this model, more demand will dramatically increase expenses but it will also increase sales and revenue as well.

You need to factor in the context of business model when analyzing these kinds of things and also realize that every situation depending on the nature of the business, how they produce the good and service, and what that actual good or service is in context.
 
Sorry but I think I gave too little info. Its an argument and I have to prove if its valid or not using a truth table
 
I think that the disjunction of S and E is actually unnecessary. Try a 3 column table with just S, E, and B. You will have 4 rows for the possible combinations of T and F for S and E. You will find one entry in the B column is indeterminate.

Aside from that, I think the question is poorly worded. The word either sounds to me like an exclusive or, which would eliminate the possibility that both S and E are true. But the point is that if S is true and E is true then B is true and B is not true. Therefore, both S and E can not be true.
 
Sorry, I should correct myself. You have a 3 row table since the statement of the problem precludes the case S is false and E is false.
 
well I tried constructing a table like this

S E B SvE S→B E→~B ~(SΛE)
F F F F T T T
T F F T F T T
F T F T T T T
T T F T T T F
F F T F T T T
T F T T T T T
F T T T T F T
T T T T T F F

im guessing its valid according to this table since none of the lines has all true values and a false conclusion.
 
It absolutely is valid. I just think that you've overcomplicated it. Rows 1 and 4 are not possible from the statement of the problem. Row 2, S=T, E=F, B=F is impossible, etc. There are only 3 rows which need be considered but I've always been a firm believer in keeping things simple for clarity. Some instructors disagree.
 

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