Proving Theorem 1 in Spivak's Calculus: Tips & Tricks

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The discussion revolves around proving Theorem 1 from Spivak's Calculus, which states that a function cannot approach two different limits near a point. Participants explore the choices of delta and epsilon in the proof and seek to understand the intuition behind these selections.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in understanding the choices of delta and epsilon in the proof, specifically why delta is chosen as min(d1, d2) and epsilon as |L - M| / 2.
  • Another participant explains that choosing epsilon as half the distance between the two limits makes sense because the function must be within epsilon of both limits, which is impossible if they are distinct.
  • A participant reflects on the intuition behind selecting delta, noting that since the limit definition requires a delta for every epsilon, taking the minimum of two deltas is a logical approach.
  • One participant suggests that the epsilon-delta definition may seem mysterious but can be understood as a formalization of the geometric behavior of continuous functions.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the intuition behind the choices of delta and epsilon, with some expressing clarity while others still seek understanding. Multiple perspectives on the interpretation of the epsilon-delta definition are present.

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Readers interested in the foundations of calculus, particularly those grappling with the epsilon-delta definition of limits and the proof techniques in mathematical analysis.

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Hello

I am struggling with proving theorem 1, pages 98-99, in Spivak's Calculus book: "A function f cannot approach two different limits near a."

I understand the fact that this theorem is correct. I can easily convince myself by drawing a function in a coordinate system and trying to find two different limits at a given x coordinate and it will not work.

But when proving the theorem I fail to see the notion behind two choices that Spivak made in proving this theorem:

(i) he chooses delta = min(d1, d2), and
(ii) he chooses epsilon = |L - M| / 2

I understand the structure of the proof, which is a proof by contradicting the assumption that L unequal M. But I am stuck at the above two mentioned choices of delta and epsilon.

I apologize sincerely for not using Latex symbols and notation and for not posting pictures of the text, but atm I am on my smartphone and do not have access to a computer.

Any reference/help is appreciated!
 
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I downloaded the PF app. And I noticed that one can use it to upload pictures.

The problem and part 1 of the proof:

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Part 2 of the proof:

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In terms of choosing epsilon to be half the difference between the limits:

Eventually the function must get within epsilon of both limits. But it can't be less than half the distance from them both at the same time.

if you and a friend stand 1m apart. No one can stand within 0.5m of you both at the same time.
 
Now that you put it in terms of distance it makes sense. But how does one develop the intuition to "see" what value for a variable one should choose when proving theorems?

I figured the delta part out:

Since the definition of a limit states, that "for all epsilon > 0, there is some delta > 0,..." It means that if we have the two deltas above mentioned one can always choose a smaller one, thus by taking the min(d1, d2) makes also sense.

Thank you for your reply!
 
I guess a lot of people see the epsilon- delta definition as mysterious, but it always seemed to me a fairly logical way of formalising the geometric behavior of a continuous function.

Take a fresh look at it from that perspective perhaps.
 

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