Ψ=f(r)exp[-i(Et-pz+Φ/2)] a Q.M. wave function?

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The discussion revolves around the validity of the wave function Ψ=f(r)exp[-i(Et-pz+Φ/2)] in the context of quantum mechanics, particularly focusing on its applicability under certain boundary conditions and the implications of angular momentum and spin in cylindrical coordinates.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether Ψ=f(r)exp[-i(Et-pz+Φ/2)] could be a valid wave function given appropriate boundary conditions and the choice of f(r).
  • Another participant argues that the wave function may not be normalizable if z is allowed to range from -∞ to ∞, suggesting that restrictions on the z-domain could make it valid.
  • A participant proposes two scenarios regarding the potential along the z-direction: either a constant potential leading to continuous p, or an infinite square well requiring discrete p.
  • Concerns are raised about the angular coordinate Φ and its relation to spin, with a participant noting that their function returns to itself after a 4π rotation, which raises questions about its acceptability.
  • Another participant clarifies that the rotation operator due to spin angular momentum acts only on the spin state and not on the spatial wave function.
  • A participant identifies two main issues with the wave function: its undefined nature along the cylindrical axis and the implications of returning to itself after a 4π rotation instead of 2π.
  • Further discussion includes the potential consequences of having Ψ(r,z,Φ) ≠ Ψ(r,z,Φ+2π) but Ψ(r,z,Φ) = Ψ(r,z,Φ+4π).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity and implications of the proposed wave function, with no consensus reached on its acceptability or the consequences of its properties.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the potential non-normalizability of the wave function under certain conditions, the undefined nature along the cylindrical axis, and the implications of angular momentum and spin on the wave function's behavior.

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In cylindrical coordinates could Ψ=f(r)exp[-i(Et-pz+Φ/2)] be a valid quantum mechanical wave-function for the right boundary conditions and with the right choice of f(r)?

Thanks!
 
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Your suggestion doesn't appear to be normalizable if you allow ##z\in(-\infty,\infty)##. Consider ##\int |\Psi|^2 \mathrm{d}zr\mathrm{d}r\mathrm{d}\theta##. You are forced to do the integral ##\int\limits_{-\infty}^{\infty}1\mathrm{d}z##.

EDIT: I suppose the answer to your exact question is that, yes, it could be a wavefunction with an appropriate restriction on the domain in the z-direction.
 
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Spinnor said:
In cylindrical coordinates could Ψ=f(r)exp[-i(Et-pz+Φ/2)] be a valid quantum mechanical wave-function for the right boundary conditions and with the right choice of f(r)?

Thanks!
Judging from the expression of the wavefunction, there can be two possibilities about the condition of the potential along the z-direction:1) The potential is constant along this direction, for which reason ##p## is continuous or 2) there is an infinite square well confining the space along z direction, in this case ##p## must be discrete.
Either way, the function you have there is bounded at infinities and therefore it can act as a basis function, despite being not normalizable for the case of continuous ##p##, for a physically realizable state.

EDIT: The only possible potential form in the z direction in this case is a constant potential. Therefore ##p## must be continuous.
 
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Thanks for pointing out things I should of worried about. My main concern was the angular coordinate Φ divided by two by which I was naively trying to get something like spin 1/2 angular momentum.

Thanks!
 
Spin? That was not mentioned in your original post.
 
blue_leaf77 said:
Spin? That was not mentioned in your original post.

Yes, but but my function depends on angular coordinates (there is angular momentum?). My function only returns to itself after a 4π rotation and I'm not sure that is acceptable.

Thanks!
 
Spinnor said:
My function only returns to itself after a 4π rotation and I'm not sure that is acceptable.
Rotation operator due to spin angular momentum can only rotate spin state, it does not act on spatial wavefunction.
 
So two problems with my function above, Ψ=f(r)exp[-i(Et-pz+Φ/2)]. The first is the function is undefined along the cylindrical axis (though I guess I could set f(r) to zero there). I thought I could get away from that problem by using the function in some annular region where the azis was excluded.

The second more worrisome problem is the fact that the function only returns to itself after two complete rotations,

Ψ=f(r)exp[-i(Et-pz+Φ/2)] = Ψ=f(r)exp[-i(Et-pz+[Φ+4π]/2)]

What trouble do we get in if Ψ(r,z,Φ) ≠ Ψ(r,z,Φ+2π) but Ψ(r,z,Φ) = Ψ(r,z,Φ+4π)?

Thanks Blue_leaf for your help!
 

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