<\psi_b | z \dot{x} | \psi_a> (magnetic dipole & quadrupole transitions)

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This discussion focuses on deriving equation [4.106] from [4.105] in the context of magnetic dipole and quadrupole transitions as outlined in "Physics of Atoms and Molecules" by Bransden and Joachain. The key equations involved are the expressions for the transition matrix elements, specifically \(\tilde{M}_{ba} = - \frac{m\omega_{ba}}{\hbar c} \langle \psi_b | z \dot{x} | \psi_a \rangle\) and \(\tilde{M}_{ba} = -\frac{\omega_{ba}}{2\hbar c} \langle \psi_b | L_y | \psi_a \rangle - \frac{i m \omega_{ba}^2}{2\hbar c} \langle \psi_b | zx | \psi_a \rangle\). The discussion includes attempts to simplify and manipulate these equations, particularly focusing on the role of commutation relations and the appearance of factors of two in the denominators.

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This is part 2 of problem 4.8 from "Physics of Atoms and Molecules - Bransden, Joachain"

Homework Statement


Deduce [4.106] from [4.105]


Homework Equations


\tilde{M}_{ba} = - \frac{m\omega_{ba}}{\hbar c} \langle \psi _b \vert z \dot{x} \vert \psi _a \rangle [4.105]

\tilde{M}_{ba} = -\frac{\omega_{ba}}{2\hbar c} \langle \psi_b \vert L_y \vert \psi_a \rangle - \frac{i m \omega_{ba}^2}{2\hbar c} \langle \psi_b \vert zx \vert \psi_a \rangle [4.106]


The Attempt at a Solution



-\frac{m\omega_{ba}}{\hbar c}\left\langle \psi_{b}\vert z\dot{x}\vert\psi_{a}\right\rangle =-\frac{m\omega_{ba}}{i\hbar^{2}c}\left\langle \psi_{b}\vert z\left[x,H_{0}\right]\vert\psi_{a}\right\rangle =i\frac{m\omega_{ba}}{\hbar^{2}c}\left\langle \psi_{b}\vert\left(\left[zx,H_{0}\right]-\left[z,H_{0}\right]x\right)\vert\psi_{a}\right\rangle =i\frac{m\omega_{ba}}{\hbar^{2}c}\left\langle \psi_{b}\vert\left(\left[zx,H_{0}\right]-i\hbar\dot{z}x\right)\vert\psi_{a}\right\rangle

=-i\frac{m\omega_{ba}^{2}}{\hbar c}\left\langle \psi_{b}\vert zx\vert\psi_{a}\right\rangle +\frac{\omega_{ba}}{\hbar c}\left\langle \psi_{b}\vert p_{z}x\vert\psi_{a}\right\rangle =-\frac{\omega_{ba}}{\hbar c}\left\langle \psi_{b}\vert\left(L_{y}-zp_{x}\right)\vert\psi_{a}\right\rangle -i\frac{m\omega_{ba}^{2}}{\hbar c}\left\langle \psi_{b}\vert zx\vert\psi_{a}\right\rangle

=-\frac{\omega_{ba}}{2\hbar c}\left\langle \psi_{b}\vert L_{y}\vert\psi_{a}\right\rangle -i\frac{m\omega_{ba}^{2}}{2\hbar c}\left\langle \psi_{b}\vert zx\vert\psi_{a}\right\rangle +\left[-\frac{\omega_{ba}}{2\hbar c}\left\langle \psi_{b}\vert L_{y}\vert\psi_{a}\right\rangle -i\frac{m\omega_{ba}^{2}}{2\hbar c}\left\langle \psi_{b}\vert zx\vert\psi_{a}\right\rangle +\frac{\omega_{ba}}{\hbar c}\left\langle \psi_{b}\vert zp_{x}\vert\psi_{a}\right\rangle \right]

But then:

-\frac{\omega_{ba}}{2\hbar c}\left\langle \psi_{b}\vert L_{y}\vert\psi_{a}\right\rangle -i\frac{m\omega_{ba}^{2}}{2\hbar c}\left\langle \psi_{b}\vert zx\vert\psi_{a}\right\rangle +\frac{\omega_{ba}}{\hbar c}\left\langle \psi_{b}\vert zp_{x}\vert\psi_{a}\right\rangle =0?

I tried to prove the last equation without success. Any help would be much appreciated.
 
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Care to explain where the two 2's in the denominator came from ? I think you need to use that [z,p_z]=0 on commutator's domain.
 
I guess you mean the 2's in this expression

<br /> -\frac{\omega_{ba}}{2\hbar c}\left\langle \psi_{b}\vert L_{y}\vert\psi_{a}\right\rangle -i\frac{m\omega_{ba}^{2}}{2\hbar c}\left\langle \psi_{b}\vert zx\vert\psi_{a}\right\rangle +\left[-\frac{\omega_{ba}}{2\hbar c}\left\langle \psi_{b}\vert L_{y}\vert\psi_{a}\right\rangle -i\frac{m\omega_{ba}^{2}}{2\hbar c}\left\langle \psi_{b}\vert zx\vert\psi_{a}\right\rangle +\frac{\omega_{ba}}{\hbar c}\left\langle \psi_{b}\vert zp_{x}\vert\psi_{a}\right\rangle \right] <br />

I was just trying to get [4.106]

<br /> a = \frac{a}{2} +\frac{a}{2}<br />

I think you mean [z,p_z]=i\hbar or [z,p_x]=0. Anyway I don't see how that would help
 

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