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Public notice on restoring Internet Freedom

  1. Apr 29, 2017 #1


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    The FCC's notice regarding possible net neutrality rulemaking got posted the other day:


    It's every bit as bad as expected.

    One thing we as citizens can do is submit "filings" on the FCC website. I submitted one here:


    I'm expecting the same organizations that mobilized against SOPA and PIPA (such as the Electronic Frontier Foundation) to do so again.
    Last edited: May 2, 2017
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  3. May 5, 2017 #2


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    From your 2nd link:

    That's a ridiculous argument. This is like arguing that the stamp they add to an envelope (the ink stamp that is done over the physical stamp to indicate it's been processed) constitutes a change to the letter inside.
  4. May 6, 2017 #3
    Here' a link to the Restoring Internet Freedom public draft:

    Good arguments Peter. I didn't get involved in the 2015 debate on classifying broadband internet as a telecommunications service for FCC regulation, but I will review the draft to see if I should post a comment opposing deregulation as well.

    My first thought from reading your arguments is if providing DNS services gives ISPs leverage to call themselves service providers, then they should not be allowed to provide DNS services unless they give the users a choice of other providers, similar to how web browsers allow users to choose different search providers. An ISP should be like a web browser, just a tool for users to access content they want; it should not interfere or persuade them in what they access.
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  5. May 7, 2017 #4


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    This is already possible, because the choice of DNS server is ultimately made by your computer, not your ISP. The problem is that, except for a few techies like me, nobody ever changes the default settings of their computer on how to choose its DNS server, which are to use whichever one is provided by your ISP. This is fixable with software, but since the DNS services provided by ISPs work, there hasn't been any impetus to provide such software in such a way that ordinary users could use it.
  6. May 8, 2017 #5
    Agreed. These default services and content filtering (like blocking outbound SMTP and sometimes DNS) are provided in the name of security, which I think should be provided as an 'add-on' product to the user. Choosing DNS providers could easily be done during router setup, which funny enough, are usually bundled with the modems the ISPs provide.

    On my home network through Comcast, I use a custom firewall/router to redirect all outbound DNS client requests to the OpenDNS servers, which provide content and malware filtering.
    At work, we restrict outbound DNS traffic to our internal DNS servers and perform security analytics on the logs; I presume ISPs perform similar analytics from their server logs for marketing/consumer behavior intelligence.
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  7. May 9, 2017 #6
    Here's the text of my filing I submitted today, will update this post with the link when published.

    Like all underlying internet access technologies, broadband internet, in its basic form of providing IP/IPv6 network communication to the internet, does not meet the criteria of being classified as an "information service" as defined in paragraph 26:

    "the offering of a capability for generating, acTuiring (sic), storing, transforming, processing, retrieving, utilizing, or making available information via telecommunications, and includes electronic publishing, but does not include any use of any such capability for the management, control, or operation of a telecommunications system or the management of a telecommunications service."

    All of these capabilities (DNS, DHCP, email, web, etc.) can and should be facilitated by the end-user client/router/firewall and internet servers independent of ISPs, whose involvement is only required during the initial line and IP address provisioning to the modem.​
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  9. May 13, 2017 #8
    I sent in my filing after watching John Oliver's show last Sunday!
  10. Jun 12, 2017 #9


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    What do you expect from a public that keeps saying things like " I like google/yahoo/etc., it's free"?
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