Pulling a sled, work, and tension

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The problem involves a sledge loaded with bricks being pulled at a constant speed on a horizontal surface, with a rope inclined at an angle. The discussion focuses on calculating the tension in the rope, the work done by the rope, and the mechanical energy lost due to friction, given specific parameters such as mass, distance, and the coefficient of kinetic friction.

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  • Participants discuss the application of Newton's second law, questioning its validity due to the absence of acceleration. There are attempts to sum forces and resolve tension using trigonometric components. Some participants express confusion about the role of the normal force and the effects of tension on it.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the forces involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between tension, friction, and the normal force, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach or solution.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework problem, which may limit the information available and the methods they can use. There is also mention of a similar problem with different parameters, leading to further confusion regarding the expected outcomes.

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The problem is: A sledge loaded with bricks has a total mass of 17.0 kg and is pulled at constant speed by a rope inclined at 19.5 degrees above the horizontal. The sledge moves a distance of 21.0 m on a horizontal surface. The coefiicient of kinetic friction between the sledge and surface is 0.500.

a) what is the tension of the rope?
b) How much work is done by the rope on the sledge?
c) What is the mechanical energy lost due to friction?

So for (a) i figured to use the equation F(net)=ma which computes out to T=83.3/(sin19.5+cos19.5) but I came out with the wrong answer.
And in order to work out b and c I need to have the correct tension. Any help would be apreciated :biggrin:
 
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You can't use F = ma for (a) because there is no acceleration.
 
I thought I could use that equation to get the sum of all forces and solve for T (tension)
 
You can't use it because like I said, there is not acceleration \Rightarrow F = ma = m \times 0 = 0. Therefore, you know that all forces are balanced.
 
Show me how you've summed the forces.
 
So what equation would I use to go about finding the tension?
 
Just think about what forces are acting. There is a component of gravity pulling it down the slope together with a frictional force. And the tension in the rope is pulling up the slope.
 
But the sledge is horizontal to the ground while the rope is the only thing inclined at 19.5 degrees
 
Sorry I'd miss read the question. In that case there is only the frictional force opposing the tension. You need to resolve the tension using trig so that it is horiztonal.
 
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It's cool... so I came up with f(kinetic)= .5*17*9.8 and then made that to equal Tsin19.5+Tcos19.5 and then solved for T... am i on the right track?
 
  • #11
The equation for frictional force is F = \mu R where R is the normal reaction force. However,R will be reduced because there is a component of tension acting in the horizontal plane. T\sin 19.5. You don't need to put it in later on.
 
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I have a similar question in my book, but they use 20 degrees, 18 kg and a distance with 20 m with the same kinetic coefficient... I solved for T=18/cos20 and came up with the wrong answer... the answer they have in the back of the book is 79.4N
 
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i am still coming up with the wrong answer...
 
  • #14
I thought that the natural reaction force is just mass*gravity?
 
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We note that there is no horizontal acceleration, so the horizontal component of the tension (Tcos\theta) must equal the frictional foce. The frictional force is \mu N, where N is the normal force. Many times the normal force is just equal to the weight (mg) of the block, but there is an upward component of the tension that reduces the normal force (Tsin\theta).

\mu N = Tcos\theta
0.500(17*9.8 - Tsin 19.5) = Tcos 19.5

Solve for T and you get T is about 75 N. Is this correct?
 
  • #16
Yeah... I didn't understand that there was an upward componenet of tension that reduces the normal force. Thanks! :)
 

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