Pump Installation | College Days | Parallel vs Series

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the installation and operation of pumps in parallel versus series configurations, particularly in the context of achieving desired flow rates and pressures in a sewer pump station. Participants explore the practical implications of theoretical rules regarding pump performance and the effects of piping design on flow rates.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that while theoretical rules suggest installing pumps in series for double pressure and in parallel for double flow, their experience shows that two parallel pumps do not achieve the expected combined flow rate.
  • Another participant argues that in a fixed piping system, it is impossible to double pressure without affecting flow or double flow without increasing pressure, suggesting that the theoretical rules do not account for the complexities of the piping system.
  • A follow-up question seeks clarification on how to achieve double flow during the design stage by increasing pipe diameter.
  • One suggestion is to increase the cross-sectional area of the piping to allow for better flow when two pumps are operating.
  • Another participant raises a concern that increasing the cross-sectional area could lead to reduced head and increased power consumption when only one pump is running.
  • A technical explanation is provided regarding the flow resistance in the piping system, indicating that the resistance increases when two pumps operate together, which may prevent achieving double the flow rate.
  • One proposed solution is to separate the connecting pipes of the two pumps to minimize flow resistance and control the flow with valves at each pump outlet.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of parallel pump configurations and the impact of piping design on flow rates. There is no consensus on how to achieve the desired flow rates or the best approach to piping design.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the theoretical understanding of pump performance in practical applications, particularly regarding the interaction between pump configurations and piping systems. The discussion reflects unresolved mathematical considerations and assumptions about flow resistance.

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in college days it is known that if you want double pressure install the pumps in series if you need double flow install the pumps parallel. but in actual field i have two pumps installed in parallel in Sewer Pump Station one as on duty and the second one is assist. but while both pumps running, i never get flow rate equal to two pumps flow rate for example i have two pumps with each pump capacity 100 l/s but if both if them runing i have only 120 l/s

i can't understand this ? and how to control raising main diameter to get maximam flow while both pumps are running ? it is really difficult ?
 
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In a fixed piping system, you can neither double the pressure without affecting flow nor double the flow without more pressure. The rule of thumb ignores the piping system.
 
russ_watters said:
In a fixed piping system, you can neither double the pressure without affecting flow nor double the flow without more pressure. The rule of thumb ignores the piping system.

Thanks for your kind replay but now in design stage how could I reach douple flow while both pump runing by increasing pipes dia ??
 
With two pumps in parallel and twice the piping cross sectional area.
 
but if i increased the cross sectional area to be twice. while one pump runing the area will be very wide which will reduce the head and increase the flow and increaing the power consumed
 
The pipe system flow resistance normally is binomial equation to flowrate. So when two pumps working together, the system flow resistance will also increase, finally you will not get double flowrate.

One way to increase the flowrate for two pumps working, you'd try best to separate the connecting pipe of the two pumps. Like as: the pipe for each pump only gather with short length; each pump outlet need valve to control "open" or "close".
 

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