Putting an equation into y = mx+b form

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The discussion revolves around the linearization of the equation (m1-m2)g=(m1+m2+I/R^2)a in the context of an experiment involving an Atwood machine. Participants are exploring how to express this equation in the form y = mx + b, identifying the slope and y-intercept.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the identification of variables, with some suggesting that the weight difference (m1-m2)g is the y variable and acceleration (a) is the x variable. Questions arise about the inclusion of the term I/R^2 in the slope and how it affects the calculation of the moment of inertia.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants questioning the setup and assumptions regarding the variables involved. Some guidance has been offered on how to relate the slope to the moment of inertia, and there is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between the varied parameters and the constants.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of a lab manual that specifies how to derive the moment of inertia from the slope, leading to confusion about the role of certain terms in the equation. The discussion also indicates that the sum of m1 and m2 was maintained constant during trials.

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Homework Statement


I am doing an experiment where I have to test the validity of the equation: (m1-m2)g=(m1+m2+I/R^2)a. The lab instructions say to linearize this equation. What would be the "m" and "b" values?

Homework Equations


y=mx+b
(m1-m2)g=(m1+m2+I/R^2)a

The Attempt at a Solution


I reasoned that m1+m2 = slope and that the y-intercept will be zero, could someone please tell me if I did this correctly? Thank you!
 
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amanda.ka said:

Homework Statement


I am doing an experiment where I have to test the validity of the equation: (m1-m2)g=(m1+m2+I/R^2)a. The lab instructions say to linearize this equation. What would be the "m" and "b" values?

Homework Equations


y=mx+b
(m1-m2)g=(m1+m2+I/R^2)a

The Attempt at a Solution


I reasoned that m1+m2 = slope and that the y-intercept will be zero, could someone please tell me if I did this correctly? Thank you!
I suppose that you varied one or two of those parameters and perhaps measured another.

What was varied and what was measured?

Which of parameters are you trying to determine?
 
SammyS said:
I suppose that you varied one or two of those parameters and perhaps measured another.

What was varied and what was measured?

Which of parameters are you trying to determine?
the weight difference (m1-m2)g was taken as the y variable and the acceleration (a) was taken as the x variable so I took these as varied and the slope and y-intercept to be the constant variables.
 
amanda.ka said:
the weight difference (m1-m2)g was taken as the y variable and the acceleration (a) was taken as the x variable so I took these as varied and the slope and y-intercept to be the constant variables.
Why did you leave ##\ I/R^2 \ ?## out of your slope?
 
SammyS said:
Why did you leave ##\ I/R^2 \ ?## out of your slope?

Later in my lab manual it says to find the moment of inertia from slope so that is why I did not put "I" into my slope value.
 
amanda.ka said:
Later in my lab manual it says to find the moment of inertia from slope so that is why I did not put "I" into my slope value.
Leaving ##\ I\ ## out of the expression for slope would make it very hard (impossible) to then use the slope to determine ##\ I\ ## .
 
SammyS said:
Leaving ##\ I\ ## out of the expression for slope would make it very hard (impossible) to then use the slope to determine ##\ I\ ## .
ok so my slope would be: m1+m2+I/R^2?
but then from a graphing software based on my data I got an actual value for the slope so how would I solve for I using that slope? I am just confused with how it all relates :(
 
amanda.ka said:
ok so my slope would be: m1+m2+I/R^2?
but then from a graphing software based on my data I got an actual value for the slope so how would I solve for I using that slope? I am just confused with how it all relates :(
I'm assuming that when you varied m1 - m2 , you kept the sum, m1 + m2 constant. Is that right?

If so, then solve : slope = m1+m2+I/R2 for I.
 
SammyS said:
I'm assuming that when you varied m1 - m2 , you kept the sum, m1 + m2 constant. Is that right?

If so, then solve : slope = m1+m2+I/R2 for I.


Yes, (m1-m2)g was varied and I obtained the slope by plotting a graph of (m1-m2)g vs. a (acceleration).
 
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amanda.ka said:
Yes, (m1-m2)g was varied and I obtained the slope by plotting a graph of (m1-m2)g vs. a (acceleration).
Yes, but was m1 +m2 maintained at the same value for all of the trials?
 
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SammyS said:
Yes, but was m1 +m2 maintained at the same value for all of the trials?
yes
 
  • #12
OK. then do the following:
SammyS said:
Solve :

slope = m1+m2+I/R2 for I.
 
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SammyS said:
OK. then do the following:
ok thanks for your help!
 
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Tell us a bit about the apparatus.
 
  • #15
amanda.ka said:
ok thanks for your help!
You're welcome.

Does your final result seem to make sense ?
 
  • #16
andrevdh said:
Tell us a bit about the apparatus.
Likely it's Atwood's machine.
 
  • #17
SammyS said:
Likely it's Atwood's machine.
yes its an atwood machine (pulley) :) and my results make a lot more sense now, thanks again!
 

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