Q: Finding the Rate of Gasoline Level Change in a Tanker Truck

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The discussion revolves around a calculus problem involving the rate of change of gasoline level in a cylindrical tanker truck as gasoline is pumped out at a specified rate. Participants explore the mathematical relationships involved, including volume calculations and differentiation, while addressing the geometry of the tank.

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  • One participant presents the problem and their initial calculations, expressing uncertainty about the correctness of their approach.
  • Another participant questions the derivation of the radius in relation to the depth of gasoline, suggesting a need for a different geometric approach since the cylinder is lying on its side.
  • There is a discussion about using integrals to find the volume of gasoline, with one participant suggesting the use of the fundamental theorem of calculus for differentiation.
  • Some participants express confusion about the notation used in the integral and the meaning of "dx," with clarifications being provided regarding its role in calculus.
  • Another participant proposes finding the area of the top surface of the liquid as a function of height to relate it to the rate of change of volume.

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Participants generally agree on the need to reconsider the geometry of the problem and the calculations involved. However, there are multiple competing views on the best approach to solve the problem, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct method to apply.

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Some participants note limitations in their understanding of calculus concepts such as the fundamental theorem, which may affect their ability to solve the problem as presented.

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Students studying calculus, particularly those interested in applications involving rates of change and geometric considerations in problems related to volume and liquid levels.

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please help me with this assignment question.

Q: gasoline is pumped from the tank of a tanker truck at a rate of 20L/s. if the tank is a cylinder 2.5 m in diameter and 15 m long, at what rate is the level of gasoline falling when the gasoline in the tank is 0.5m deep? express in exact answer in cm/min [1L=1000 cm^3]

i did:

dv/dt = - 1200000cm^3/min

dv/dt = dv/dh*dh/dt

Vcylinder = pi r^2 l {l=h=length of the cylinder}
r = 125h/50 cm = 5h/2
V= pi(5/2h)^2l
dv/dh = pi 25/2 hl

-1200000 = pi 25/2 (50)(1500) dh/dt
dh/dt = -96/75 pi


i've got a good feeling that this is wrong. please help.
 
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pine_apple said:
please help me with this assignment question.

Q: gasoline is pumped from the tank of a tanker truck at a rate of 20L/s. if the tank is a cylinder 2.5 m in diameter and 15 m long, at what rate is the level of gasoline falling when the gasoline in the tank is 0.5m deep? express in exact answer in cm/min [1L=1000 cm^3]

i did:

dv/dt = - 1200000cm^3/min

dv/dt = dv/dh*dh/dt

Vcylinder = pi r^2 l {l=h=length of the cylinder}
r = 125h/50 cm = 5h/2
V= pi(5/2h)^2l
dv/dh = pi 25/2 hl

-1200000 = pi 25/2 (50)(1500) dh/dt
dh/dt = -96/75 pi


i've got a good feeling that this is wrong. please help.
A good feeling that this is wrong? I always have a bad feeling that I am wrong!:smile:

You say "r = 125h/50 cm = 5h/2" Why would this be true? I see that the "125" is 1.25 m converted to cm but where is the 50 from? Is it the "0.5 m deep". That shouldn't be in the general formula but only applied after differentiating. And why would muliplying h by that give the radius? I take it you are assuming that the cylinder is lying on its side like it would be on a truck. In that case, as the level of gasoline falls the gasoline does not form cylinders of decreasing radius, it forms a decreasing part of the original cylinder. Set up a coordinate system with the center of the circle, of radius 1.25 m, at the origin. Then it can be written [itex]x^2+ y^2= 1.5625. At a given depth h, the top of the gasoline is at distance 1.25- h from the center. The area, against the ends of the cylinder, of the gasoline is given by <br /> [tex]\int_{1.25}^{1.25-h}(1.25-h-\sqrt{1.565- x^2} dx[/tex][/itex][tex] and so the volume of gasoline is<br /> [tex]15\int_{1.25}^{1.25-h}(1.25-h-\sqrt{1.565- x^2} dx[/itex]<br /> Don't <b>do</b> that integral! Just use the "fundamental theorem of calculus" to differentiate it and set h= 0.5.[/tex][/tex]
 
HallsofIvy, thank you very much for your reply.
I had realized that the gasoline doesn't form cylinders of decreasing radius too, but I couldn't figure out how to express it.
We have not learned the "fundamental theorem of calculus" yet. Is it possible to calculate it in another way without using the theorem?
 
[tex]V = 15\int_{1.25}^{1.25-h}(1.25-h-\sqrt{1.565- x^2} dx[/tex]So taking the derivative of that would be [tex]15(1.25-h-\sqrt{1.565- x^2} dx[/tex]
 
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courtrigrad, thank you very much for your reply.
but i was wondering where "dx" came from; does "d" represents the diameter?
 
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my fault, it should just be: [tex]15(1.25-h-\sqrt{1.565- x^2})[/tex]because if we have [tex]F(x) = \int_{a}^{x} f(t) \; dt[/tex] then [tex]F'(x) = f(x)[/tex] for every [tex]x[/tex] in [tex][a,b][/tex].There is no [tex]dx[/tex]
 
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Thank you.
But if you multiply those, how would it give you the volume? Doesn't the product become the area?
I don't understand why h-(1.565-x^2)^1/2 is being subtracted from 1.25-h.
Can someone please tell me why?
 
Consider the top surface of the liquid. Find its area as a function of the height
(remember that the cylinder is tipped on its side).

dh/dt * area of top surface = dv/dt

Plug in h = 50cm and solve for dh/dt.
 
Aero, thank you so much ! :D
 
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HallsofIvy, Coutrigrad, and Aero, thank you :)
 

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