Rate of Increase in Water Level Due to Falling Cone in Cylinder

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The problem involves a cylinder partially filled with water and an inverted cone falling into it. The cone has a specific geometry and is moving at a constant speed, and the task is to determine the rate at which the water level in the cylinder rises when the cone is partially submerged.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the volume of the submerged cone and the resulting change in water level in the cylinder. There are attempts to derive equations relating the heights and volumes involved.

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Some participants express disagreement with the initially provided answer, suggesting alternative values based on their calculations. There is ongoing exploration of the relationships between the variables involved, with some participants questioning the assumptions made in the calculations.

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Participants note that the geometry of the cone affects the volume calculations and that the downward velocity of the cone must be considered in relation to the change in water level. There are indications of confusion regarding the correct interpretation of the variables involved.

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Homework Statement


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A cylinder of radius ##{R}## is partially filled with water. There is an inverted cone of cone angle 90° and base radius ##{\frac{R}{2}}## which is falling in it with a constant speed ##v=30~cm/s##.
Find the rate of increase of water level (in ##cm/s##) when half the height of cone is immersed in water.

The given answer is: ##2~cm/s##

Homework Equations


Let the height of the cone be h, and height of cylinder be H
Volume of cone ## = \frac{1}{3}\pi (\frac{R}{2})^2 h = \frac{1}{12} \pi R^2 h##
Volume of cylinder = ##\pi R^2 H##

The Attempt at a Solution


Now for the cone ##\frac{dh}{dt}=v=30~cm/s##

Let the increase in cylinder's water level be ##dH## when ##dV## of cone's volume is immersed in it.
So
##dV = \pi R^2 dH##

⇒ ## \frac{dH}{dt} = \frac{\frac{dV}{dt}}{\pi R^2}##

⇒ ## \frac{dH}{dt} = \frac{\frac{d}{dt}(\frac{1}{12} \pi R^2 h)}{\pi R^2}##

⇒ ## \frac{dH}{dt} = \frac{\frac{1}{12} \pi R^2~\frac{dh}{dt}}{\pi R^2}##

⇒ ## \frac{dH}{dt} = \frac{1}{12} × 30 = 2.5~cm/s##

Please help.
Thank you.
 
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@BvU ,@Chestermiller ,do you agree with the given answer 2 cm/s ? I believe it is incorrect . It should be 1.875 cm/s .

2cm/s would have been correct if the cone was falling at the speed of 32 cm/s .
 
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Vibhor said:
@BvU ,@Chestermiller ,do you agree with the given answer 2 cm/s ? I believe it is incorrect . It should be 1.875 cm/s .

2cm/s would have been correct if the cone was falling at the speed of 32 cm/s .
I get 2 cm/s.

Let z be the distance between the tip of the cone and the bottom of the cylinder, and let h(z) be the distance between the water surface and the bottom of the cylinder. Then the amount of cone submerged is h - z, and the volume of cone submerged is $$V_s=\frac{\pi (h-z)^3}{3}$$. The total volume of water and cone below the water surface is ##\pi R^2h##, and this is also equal to the volume of water Vw plus the submerged volume of cone:

$$V_w+\frac{\pi (h-z)^3}{3}=\pi R^2h$$
Taking the time derivative of this equation gives:
$$(h-z)^2\left(\frac{dh}{dt}-\frac{dz}{dt}\right)=R^2\frac{dh}{dt}$$
 
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Hi ,

Thanks for replying.

Let y be the distance between the tip of the cone and the water surface, and let h be the distance between the water surface and the bottom of the cylinder.

$$V_w =\pi R^2h - \frac{\pi y^3}{3}$$

Taking the time derivative of this equation gives: $$R^2\frac{dh}{dt} = y^2\frac{dy}{dt}$$ .

When ##y=\frac{R}{4}## , ##\frac{dh}{dt} = \frac{30}{16}##

What is the mistake ?
 
Vibhor said:
Hi ,

Thanks for replying.

Let y be the distance between the tip of the cone and the water surface, and let h be the distance between the water surface and the bottom of the cylinder.

$$V_w =\pi R^2h - \frac{\pi y^3}{3}$$

Taking the time derivative of this equation gives: $$R^2\frac{dh}{dt} = y^2\frac{dy}{dt}$$ .

When ##y=\frac{R}{4}## , ##\frac{dh}{dt} = \frac{30}{16}##

What is the mistake ?
The downward velocity of the cone is not dy/dt. It is (dy/dt)-(dh/dt).
 
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Chestermiller said:
The downward velocity of the cone is not dy/dt. It is (dy/dt)-(dh/dt).
:doh:

Thanks a lot :smile:
 

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