[Q]Some confusing about Dirac Delta Function

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The discussion revolves around the Dirac Delta Function, particularly its properties and implications in quantum mechanics, especially in relation to finite integration ranges and orthogonality of eigenfunctions. Participants explore theoretical aspects and mathematical formulations related to the delta function.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the Dirac Delta Function can be derived from a finite integral range, suggesting that this impacts orthogonality in quantum problems.
  • Another participant corrects the formula presented, stating that the exponent should include an imaginary component and emphasizes that infinite limits are necessary to obtain the delta function.
  • A participant concludes that orthogonality of eigenfunctions produced by Hermitian operators only holds in infinite domains, but this conclusion is challenged by others.
  • It is noted that in a finite box, eigenfunctions can still be orthogonal, but not all momenta are allowed, with examples provided for periodic boundary conditions.
  • One participant asserts that the delta function can be expressed as a linear combination of eigenfunctions for any potential, highlighting that eigenfunctions differ when the box is finite.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of finite integration ranges for the Dirac Delta Function and the orthogonality of eigenfunctions. There is no consensus on the conclusions drawn regarding these topics.

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Some limitations include the dependence on the definitions of the Dirac Delta Function and the specific conditions under which orthogonality is considered. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

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Hi.

Recently day, I tried to solve quantum mechanics problem in liboff fourth version to prepare

graduate school.

But what make me be confused a lot is Dirac Delta Function.

One of my confusing on Dirac Delta is what i wrote below.


-One of the formula describing Dira Delta Function is [tex]\int_{\infty}^{\infty}e^{-2{\pi}<br /> (k_{2}-k_{1})}dt = \delta (k_{2}-k_{1})[/tex]

If, we are replacing [itex]\infty[/itex] some finite constance, it means integration range
changed to some finite range, Do we still get [itex]\delta (k_{2}-k_{1})[/itex]

This is important problem because a lot of quantum problem have finite range, so orthogonality is damaged if delta function can not be derived from finite integral.

please assist to me. Thank you.
 
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Your formula is wrong. The exponent should be -2it pi(k_2-k_1).
The limits must be infinite to get the delta function.
In box normalization, as an alternative to delta function normalization,
the limits are +/- L and then the limit L-->infinity is taken.
If a problem really does have a finite range, then the efs will not be simple exponentials.
 
I see, Thank you So thank to your assistant. I can make conclusion that

Hermition operator produces orthogonal eigen function but, orthogonality only persists in

case of that domain of eigen function is infinity,

In other word, orthogonality is break up with physical restriction.(Real physics, there is

almost no infinity demain)

Please anybody correct my careful conclusion.
 
good_phy said:
So thank to your assistant. I can make conclusion that Hermition operator produces orthogonal eigenfunction but, orthogonality only persists in
case of that domain of eigenfunction is infinity
No, not correct. In a box, the eigenfunctions are orthogonal, but not all momenta are allowed. The simplest case, mathematically, is periodic boundary conditions. In a box of length L, the eigenfunctions are exp[2 pi i n x/L], n=...,-1,0,1,..., and these are orthogonal.
 
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The delta function can always be expressed as a linear combination of eigenfunctions for whatever potential you have. As noted, when the box is finite, the eigenfunctions themselves are different.
 

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