QC 6.4 Zwiebach: Deriving the Relativistic Dot Product

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The discussion revolves around a problem from Zwiebach's textbook concerning the derivation of the relativistic dot product, specifically in the context of differentiating a squared dot product of partial derivatives with respect to spacetime components.

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  • Participants explore the nature of the objects involved, questioning how to interpret the derivatives of the dot product in the context of a 4-dimensional vector space. There are attempts to clarify the role of basis vectors and the implications of differentiating with respect to specific components.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning each other's reasoning. Some have pointed out potential errors in notation and assumptions, while others seek to clarify the mathematical framework being used.

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Homework Statement


Zwiebach QC 6.4

Why is

[tex]\frac{\partial}{\partial{X^{\mu}}} \left( \frac{\partial X}{\partial{\tau}} \cdot \frac{\partial X}{\partial{\sigma}} \right) ^2 = \left( \frac{\partial X}{\partial{\tau}} \cdot \frac{\partial X}{\partial{\sigma}} \right) \cdot \frac{\partial{X^{\mu}}}{\partial{\tau}}[/tex]

The dot is the relativistic dot product.
What I am confused about is how you take the derivative with respect to one component X^mu of the spacetime vectors and get a quantity that still has [tex]\left( \frac{\partial X}{\partial{\tau}} \cdot \frac{\partial X}{\partial{\sigma}} \right)[/tex]. Is there an intermediate step someone could show me?

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Could you explain just what kind of object everything is?

If I just lively think of X as a function of [itex]\tau[/itex] and [itex]\sigma[/itex] with values in a 4-dimensional vector space with the Minkowski inner product, then the partial derivative w.r.t. the i-th component is

[tex] \frac{\partial}{\partial X_i} \left(<br /> \frac{\partial X}{\partial \tau}<br /> \cdot<br /> \frac{\partial X}{\partial \sigma}<br /> \right)<br /> =<br /> \left( \mathbf{\hat{e}}_i \frac{\partial X_i}{\partial \tau} \right)<br /> \cdot<br /> \frac{\partial X}{\partial \sigma}<br /> +<br /> \frac{\partial X}{\partial \tau}<br /> \cdot<br /> \left( \mathbf{\hat{e}}_i \frac{\partial X_i}{\partial \sigma} \right)<br /> =<br /> 2\frac{\partial X_i}{\partial \tau} \frac{\partial X_i}{\partial \sigma}[/tex]

([itex]\mathbf{\hat{e}}_i[/itex] is a standard basis vector) Applying the chain rule would give

[tex] \frac{\partial}{\partial X_i} \left(<br /> \frac{\partial X}{\partial \tau}<br /> \cdot<br /> \frac{\partial X}{\partial \sigma}<br /> \right)^2 =<br /> 4<br /> \left(<br /> \frac{\partial X}{\partial \tau}<br /> \cdot<br /> \frac{\partial X}{\partial \sigma}<br /> \right)<br /> \frac{\partial X_i}{\partial \tau} \frac{\partial X_i}{\partial \sigma}[/tex]

Not quite what you have, but maybe you can see how your things are different from my things and fill in the gap.
 
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Sorry. My post was rather terse.

[tex]X^{\mu}(\tau,\sigma)[/tex] is the mapping function from parameter space (of the parameters tau and sigma) into spacetime. So, in this context what is the basis vector (it is just some pseudo-Euclidean basis vector probably)? Is there a way to do this without going into basis vectors? Why does [tex] \frac{\partial}{\partial X_i} \left(<br /> \frac{\partial X}{\partial \tau}<br /> \right)<br /> =<br /> \left( \mathbf{\hat{e}}_i \frac{\partial X_i}{\partial \tau} \right)[/tex] ?
 
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Because [itex]X = (X_0, X_1, X_2, X_3)[/itex]. If you differentiate it with respect to, say, component 2, you get
[tex] \begin{equation*}<br /> \begin{split}<br /> \frac{\partial X}{\partial X_2}<br /> &= \frac{\partial}{\partial X_2} (X_0, X_1, X_2, X_3)<br /> \\&= \left(\frac{\partial X_0}{\partial X_2},<br /> \frac{\partial X_1}{\partial X_2},\frac{\partial X_2}{\partial X_2},<br /> \frac{\partial X_3}{\partial X_2}<br /> \right)<br /> \\&= (0, 0, 1, 0) = \mathbf{\hat{e}}_2<br /> \end{split}<br /> \end{equation*}[/tex]

Hrm, I know I did something wrong last night, but I'm still too sleepy to spot it at the moment...
 
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ehrenfest said:
[tex]\frac{\partial}{\partial{X^{\mu}}} \left( \frac{\partial X}{\partial{\tau}} \cdot \frac{\partial X}{\partial{\sigma}} \right) ^2 = \left( \frac{\partial X}{\partial{\tau}} \cdot \frac{\partial X}{\partial{\sigma}} \right) \cdot \frac{\partial{X^{\mu}}}{\partial{\tau}}[/tex]

You missed a dot (and/or a prime). The equation is:

[tex]\frac{\partial}{\partial{\dot{X}^{\mu}}} \left( \frac{\partial X}{\partial{\tau}} \cdot \frac{\partial X}{\partial{\sigma}} \right) ^2 = \left( \frac{\partial X}{\partial{\tau}} \cdot \frac{\partial X}{\partial{\sigma}} \right) \cdot \frac{\partial{X^{\mu}}}{\partial{\tau}}[/tex]
where [itex]\dot{X}^{\mu} is defined in equation (6.40) on page 100.[/itex]
 
ehrenfest said:
[tex]\frac{\partial}{\partial{X^{\mu}}} \left( \frac{\partial X}{\partial{\tau}} \cdot \frac{\partial X}{\partial{\sigma}} \right) ^2 = \left( \frac{\partial X}{\partial{\tau}} \cdot \frac{\partial X}{\partial{\sigma}} \right) \cdot \frac{\partial{X^{\mu}}}{\partial{\tau}}[/tex]
You missed a dot (and/or a prime). The equation is:

[tex]\frac{\partial}{\partial{\dot{X}^{\mu}}} \left( \frac{\partial X}{\partial{\tau}} \cdot \frac{\partial X}{\partial{\sigma}} \right) ^2 = \left( \frac{\partial X}{\partial{\tau}} \cdot \frac{\partial X}{\partial{\sigma}} \right) \cdot \frac{\partial{X^{\mu}}}{\partial{\tau}}[/tex]
where [itex]\dot{X}^{\mu}[/itex] is defined in equation (6.40) on page 100.
 
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