QFT: Understanding Counter-Terms for Renormalization

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The discussion centers on the concept of renormalization in quantum field theory (QFT), particularly the role of counter-terms and the implications of infinities in Lagrangians. Participants express their struggles with the conventional understanding of renormalization and explore alternative approaches, including the Wilson approach and the Epstein-Glaser method.

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  • One participant expresses dissatisfaction with the conventional introduction of renormalization, questioning the validity of a theory based on an infinite Lagrangian.
  • Another participant suggests that the effective action, which includes counter-terms and radiative corrections, is finite and can be used to calculate observables.
  • Some participants highlight the Wilson approach as more intuitive, noting its reliance on the variation of the cut-off compared to the conventional approach's focus on the renormalization point.
  • Concerns are raised about the "shuffling" of infinities into bare quantities in the conventional approach, with some participants finding this unsatisfactory.
  • One participant mentions the Epstein-Glaser approach as an alternative that avoids infinities, referencing a specific textbook for further reading.
  • Another participant acknowledges the equivalence of the conventional and Wilson approaches but admits to not fully understanding the details of this equivalence.
  • A participant offers resources, including an insight article and a tutorial paper, aimed at providing a simpler understanding of renormalization without infinities.

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Participants express a range of views on renormalization, with no consensus on the best approach. While some find the Wilson approach more satisfactory, others remain committed to exploring the conventional method despite its challenges.

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Participants note limitations in their understanding of the connections between different approaches to renormalization and the implications of infinities in QFT. There are references to specific assumptions and mathematical structures that are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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Hello,

It's been a long time I am trying to accept renormalization in QFT but still I cannot be satisfied.
The usual pedagogical way one introduces renormalization is to cure infinities that arise from perturbative expansions.
Now, I can accept the statement that we are doing the perturbation expansion via the wrong coefficient, say the bare coupling ##g_{0}## . The physical quantity is instead ##g=g_{0}-\delta g## or we are dealing with the wrong mass, ##m=m_{0}-\delta m ## .
One can then fix this, expressing our Lagrangian in terms of counterterms. But this means that the Lagrangian itself is infinite! How can I believe in a theory based on a Lagrangian that makes no sense?? All considerations we can infer from the Lagrangian, say Noether's theorem, say the gauge symmetry itself, obviously is based on a finite Lagrangian.

In summary, what I see from a QFT book:
1) Define the Lagrangian for a specific theory (assuming of course it is a well-behaved mathematical structure)
2) Using the Lagrangian, extract the symmetries of the theory, impose gauge invariance.
3) Find out that the Lagrangian is indeed infinite. But still retain all considerations made.

What I am looking for is a textbook or notes that considers renormalization a priori. Starts from general assumptions about QFT (existence of a separable Hilbert space, Poincarè invariance, causality), justifies renormalization, obtain general theorems (e.g. spin-statistics), and then calculates amplitudes and cross-sections for specific theories, without the surprise "oh look it's divergent".

I know also there is the Wilson approach to QFT, which is satisfactory, but I cannot understand its connection to the usual approach. The RG in Wilson's approach is based on the variation of the cut-off, in the usual approach it's based on the variation of the renormalization point.

Thanks
 
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You don't describe the system by the bare Lagrangian but by the entire effective action, which is finite (order by order in perturbation theory). The classical action (integral over the Lagrangian) + the counter terms + the radiative corrections give a finite action functional (order by order in perturbation theory), and from this you calculate the observables (in terms of S-matrix elements), which are also finite and comparable to experiment.

An alternative treatment of quantum field theory, which doesn't involve infinities is the Epstein-Glaser approach. A textbook following this approach for QED is

G. Scharf, Finite Quantum Electrodynamics, The Causal Approach, Springer (1995)
 
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anthony2005 said:
I know also there is the Wilson approach to QFT, which is satisfactory, but I cannot understand its connection to the usual approach.

I don't get the conventional approach either:
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1208.4700.pdf
'Roughly speaking, the program of removing the infinities from physically measurable quantities in relativistic field theory, the renormalization program, involves shuffling all the divergences into bare quantities. In other words, we can redefine the unmeasurable quantities to absorb the divergences so that the physically measurable quantities are finite'

This shuffling infinities around leaves me cold. Only Wilson's approach makes sense to me. I simply accept that and move on.

Thanks
Bill
 
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anthony2005 said:
I know also there is the Wilson approach to QFT, which is satisfactory, but I cannot understand its connection to the usual approach. The RG in Wilson's approach is based on the variation of the cut-off, in the usual approach it's based on the variation of the renormalization point.

As far as I understand, it's a miracle. Actually, I think even the Wilsonian approach has some miracles, like the ε-expansion. The strength of the Wilsonian approach is that the heuristics are so obviously right, we believe the mathematicians should be able to make it non-miraculous some day.
 
bhobba said:
I don't get the conventional approach either:
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1208.4700.pdf
'Roughly speaking, the program of removing the infinities from physically measurable quantities in relativistic field theory, the renormalization program, involves shuffling all the divergences into bare quantities. In other words, we can redefine the unmeasurable quantities to absorb the divergences so that the physically measurable quantities are finite'

This shuffling infinities around leaves me cold. Only Wilson's approach makes sense to me. I simply accept that and move on.

Thanks
Bill
Well, the conventional approach using appropriate regularizations and then subtracting infinities within a given renormalization scheme is much more convenient in perturbative calculations. The Wilson approach elucidates the physics behind the conventional renormalization procedure. There no contradiction between the two approaches.
 
vanhees71 said:
There no contradiction between the two approaches.

I have read all over the place where they are equivalent, so I don't doubt it. Its just at my current level I haven't seen the detail of that claim.

Thanks
Bill
 
anthony2005 said:
What I am looking for is a textbook or notes that considers renormalization a priori. Starts from general assumptions about QFT (existence of a separable Hilbert space, Poincarè invariance, causality), justifies renormalization, obtain general theorems (e.g. spin-statistics), and then calculates amplitudes and cross-sections for specific theories, without the surprise "oh look it's divergent".
The closest existing approximation to what you want is described in my insight article.

See also my paper Renormalization without infinities - a tutorial, which discusses renormalization on a much simpler level than quantum field theory.
 
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