QFT: Why Kronecker Symbol \delta_j^i is Basis Invariant?

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The discussion revolves around the invariance of the Kronecker symbol \(\delta_j^i\) under changes of basis in the context of quantum field theory (QFT). Participants explore the differences between \(\delta_j^i\) and \(\delta_{ij}\), particularly focusing on their behavior under transformations such as Lorentz transformations and the implications for tensorial properties.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why \(\delta_j^i\) is invariant to a change of basis while \(\delta_{ij}\) is not.
  • Another participant asserts that \(\delta_{i}^{j}\) represents the unit matrix and is invariant regardless of index notation.
  • A participant explains that \(\delta^\alpha_{\beta}\) is the identity tensor and discusses the implications of Lorentz transformations on its representation.
  • It is noted that \(\delta'_{\alpha\beta}\) resulting from a Lorentz transformation does not equal \(\delta_{\alpha\beta}\) unless the transformation is trivial.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the definition of \(\delta_{\alpha\beta}\) in relation to the metric tensor, suggesting that it can be expressed in terms of \(\eta_{\alpha\beta}\).
  • One participant references a source that discusses the components of a second rank covariant tensor and its lack of special interest when expressed as Kronecker deltas in different frames.
  • Another participant comments on the preservation of components under orthogonal transformations and distinguishes between general coordinate transformations and specific ones like Lorentz transformations.
  • A participant emphasizes that the Kronecker delta with both indices up or down is equivalent to the metric tensor or its inverse, differing from the standard Kronecker delta notation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the invariance of the Kronecker symbols and their definitions, with no consensus reached on the implications of these differences. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the broader applicability of the definitions and their interpretations in various contexts.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight limitations in definitions and assumptions regarding the transformations and the nature of the tensors involved, particularly in relation to the context of Lorentz transformations versus general coordinate transformations.

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I'm preparing myself for a QFT course and I have the following question about the Kronecker symbol:

Why [itex]\delta_j^i[/itex] is invariant to a change of basis and [itex]\delta_{ij}[/itex] is not?
 
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?? [itex]\delta_{i}^{j}[/itex] is nothing but the unit matrix. It's supposed to be invariant, now matter how write the indices...
 
[itex]\delta^\alpha_{\beta}[/itex] is the identity tensor; its indices with respect to any basis are the identity matrix. If [itex]\Lambda^{\alpha}_{\enspace\beta}[/itex] is a Lorentz transformation, its inverse is represented in Einstein's summation convention by lowering one index and raising the other. (This convention for denoting the inverse applies only to Lorentz tarnsformations, not tensors in general.) With these notational rules

[tex]\delta^\alpha_\beta=\Lambda^\alpha_{\enspace\gamma}\,\Lambda_\beta^{\enspace\gamma}=\eta^{\nu\gamma}\eta_{\mu\beta}\,\Lambda^\alpha_{\enspace\gamma}\,\Lambda^{\mu}_{\enspace\nu}[/tex]

where [itex]\eta_{\rho\sigma}[/itex] is the metric tensor for Minkowski space, and has the same components as its inverse, [itex]\eta^{\rho\sigma}[/itex], namely Diag(-1,1,1,1) or Diag(1,-1,-1,-1), depending on which sign convention is used. The equation just says that the transformation composed with its inverse is (by definition) the identity tensor.

But

[tex]\delta'_{\alpha\beta}=\Lambda_{\alpha}^{\enspace \gamma}\,\delta_{\gamma\delta}\,\Lambda_{\beta}^{ \enspace \delta} \neq \delta_{\alpha\beta}[/tex]

is rather the composition of the two matrices representing the Lorentz transformation. [itex]\delta_{\gamma\delta}[/itex] is the identity matrix, but [itex]\delta'_{\alpha\beta}[/itex] will not be, except in the trivial case where [itex]\Lambda_{\alpha}^{\enspace \gamma}[/itex] is the identity matrix too.
 
Rasalhague said:
[itex]\delta_{\gamma\delta}[/itex] is the identity matrix, but [itex]\delta'_{\alpha\beta}[/itex] will not be, except in the trivial case where [itex]\Lambda_{\alpha}^{\enspace \gamma}[/itex] is the identity matrix too.
If [itex]\delta_{\alpha\beta}[/itex] is defined by [itex]\eta_{\alpha\gamma}\delta^\gamma_\beta[/itex], then [itex]\delta_{\alpha\beta}=\eta_{\alpha\beta}[/itex]. The right-hand side of [itex]\delta'_{\alpha\beta}=\Lambda_{\alpha}^{\enspace \gamma}\,\delta_{\gamma\delta}\,\Lambda_{\beta}^{ \enspace \delta}[/itex] is the [itex]\alpha\beta[/itex] component of the matrix [itex](\Lambda^{-1})^T\eta\Lambda^{-1}[/itex]. This is equal to [itex]\eta[/itex] since the inverse of a Lorentz transformation is a Lorentz transformation. So [itex]\delta'_{\alpha\beta}= \delta_{\alpha\beta}[/itex].
 
Ah yes, that seems like a more consistent definition. Is it more usual than the other convention?

However, a second rank covariant tensor whose components in the [itex]x^i[/itex]-frame are the Kronecker deltas (in this case denoted by [itex]\delta_{ij}[/itex]) has different components in other frames and is accordingly of no special interest.

- D.F. Lawden: An Introduction to Tensor Calculus, Relativity and Cosmology, 3rd ed., p. 92.

And I think I remember Leonard Susskind talking in one of his online GR lectures about the deltas with both indices down, or both up, as "not tensors" in constrast to [itex]\delta^\alpha_\beta[/itex].
 
If the other convention is to have the components of [itex]\delta_{\alpha\beta}[/itex] be the components of the identity matrix, the components would be preserved by those coordinate transformations that correspond to orthogonal transformations (rotations) of the tangent space.

Sounds like the quote is about arbitrary coordinate transformations, not specifically about Lorentz transformations or rotations.
 
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Fredrik said:
Sounds like the quote is about arbitrary coordinate transformations, not specifically about Lorentz transformations or rotations.

You're right, it is about general coordinate transformations.
 
The <delta with 2 indices down or up> is nothing but the metric tensor or its inverse, it's no longer the delta Kronecker which always has one index up and one index down and always denotes the unit matrix in 2,3,4,... dimensions, no matter if the underlying manifold is flat or curved.
 
Thanks to everyone for clarifying my query!
 
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Thank you, intervoxel, for asking - I learned something too : )
 

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