Undergrad QM and mental states,sure this isn’t philosophical discussion

[Adrian Lee]

Various people like VN,Wigner thinks QM links to mental states,we know that.
People introduced decoherence to kick consciousness out of the realm,as we widely accept.But even Zurek himself admits that there is a fundamental problem of why we only perceive one state and that solving the problem needs a full mind-body model.(which is why there’s many minds.)
Tons of quantum researchers and philosophers writes papers published on journals showing that quantum physics must include mental states.And discussions on mind-body relationships in different interpretations as well.
Some people admits that there is some problem going on here, but it does not stop physics from developing because it is currently not falsifiable.

 

[StevieTNZ]

Some good books:
"Conscious Mind in the Physical World" - https://www.bookdepository.com/Conscious-Mind-Physical-World-Euan-J-Squires/9780750300469
"Quantum Enigma" - https://quantumenigma.com/
"The Mind Matters" - https://global.oup.com/academic/product/the-mind-matters-9780198240686?cc=nz&lang=en&

 

[StevieTNZ]

Decoherence does not solve the measurement problem, nor does it create classical probabilities from quantum ones. See, for eg 'Quantum Enigma'. Decoherence is the entanglement of the macroscopic apparatus with the environment, which, in principle, is quantum mechanical in nature. We all know that when two quantum systems meet, they become entangled. Nothing about wave function collapse occurs. plane @ simple

"The doctrine that the world is made up of objects whose existence is independent of human consciousness turns out to be in conflict with quantum mechanics and with facts established by experiment." - Bernard d'Espagnat (a view which he held until his death)

 

[Adrian Lee]

Various people like VN,Wigner thinks QM links to mental states,we know that.
People introduced decoherence to kick consciousness out of the realm,as we widely accept.But even Zurek himself admits that there is a fundamental problem of why we only perceive one state and that solving the problem needs a full mind-body model.(which is why there’s many minds.)
Tons of quantum researchers and philosophers writes papers published on journals showing that quantum physics must include mental states.And discussions on mind-body relationships in different interpretations as well.
Some people admits that there is some problem going on here, but it does not stop physics from developing because it is currently not falsifiable.

The thread is for discussing the necessity ,without personal perspective,of including mind-body discussions into QM .
For instance see https://doi.org/10.1007/s11229-019-02101-3

 

[StevieTNZ]

Another good book: https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-030-21908-6

 

[Adrian Lee]

Another good book: https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-030-21908-6

You see here comes the problem.Some authors in this book are also coauthors of Deepak Chopra.Eg.Time machine in consciousness,quantum healing and stuff.

 

[PeterDonis]

The fact that this is the QM interpretations forum does not mean we can discuss pop science references. Nor does it mean we can discuss philosophy or metaphysics. @Adrian Lee, if you have a question about QM interpretations, you can post it in a new thread. If you have a question about some interpretation that postulates that "QM links to mental states", and you can find a valid reference discussing it, you can post that in a new thread.

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