QM Particles and their space boundaries

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The discussion revolves around the concept of quantum mechanics and the spatial boundaries of particles, particularly in relation to their wavelengths. Participants explore the implications of quantum mechanics on particle confinement, the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, and the interpretation of statements found in sources like Wikipedia.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of a Wikipedia statement claiming that particles cannot inhabit a space smaller than their wavelength, seeking a formula that supports this idea.
  • Another participant criticizes the reliability of Wikipedia, suggesting that unverified statements can lead to confusion.
  • Some participants discuss the concept of boundaries in quantum systems, noting that in an infinite well, the ground state occupies a space related to half the wavelength.
  • There is a suggestion that the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle may provide a general relation between spatial confinement and wavelength, although its implications are debated.
  • A participant provides an online resource for deriving concepts from the Schrödinger equation, expressing uncertainty about its correctness and inviting others to verify it.
  • One participant attempts to connect the uncertainty principle with the spatial boundaries of particles, discussing the relationship between momentum, wavelength, and the probability of particle location.
  • Another participant expresses difficulty in finding additional sources that clarify the original Wikipedia claim, indicating a desire for further understanding of the properties of quantum mechanics referenced by the author.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the original claim from Wikipedia, and multiple competing views regarding the interpretation of quantum mechanics and particle boundaries remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the lack of clarity on the definitions of particle size in quantum mechanics, the dependence on specific systems for boundary conditions, and unresolved mathematical interpretations related to the uncertainty principle.

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Hi

On Wikipedia some author wrote: According to Quantum Mechanics, particles can't inhabit a place smaller than their wavelength.

I googled around a little bit but couldn't find any formula which is consistent with this sentence.

Anybody knows by which formula this sentence makes sense?

Thanks for an answer

Philipp
 
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That's wrong. Don't read unverified statements on Wiki. They are the downside of this great website. Any moron can write there...
 
So there are no boundaries at all? Any formula which relates to that?
 
In an infinite well the ground state is in space the size of half the wavelength.
The boundaries depend on the specific system, which is probably why you didn't find what you are looking for through Google. I think the only relation that would hold in all situations is the uncertainty principle.
 
DrewD said:
In an infinite well the ground state is in space the size of half the wavelength.

From which formula can this explanation be derived from?

Also, the Heisenberg Uncertainty principle only says something about the place a particle could be found, and nothing about that the surrounding space could be smaller than the particle's actual wavelength.
 
Here is an online derivation from the Schrödinger equation. I haven't read through it to be sure that its correct, but I would be surprised if there are mistakes.

http://panda.unm.edu/Courses/Fields/Phys491/Notes/TISEInfiniteSquare.pdf

I am only an undergrad, so others should point out if the following interpretation is wrong.

I said that the uncertainty principle related to the spatial boundary of a particle because it relates the space in which a particle is confined to the possible momentum and therefore to the wavelength by [itex]\Delta p=\frac{h}{\Delta\lambda}[/itex]. Since the particle doesn't have doesn't have a physical size (as far as I know from QM; I don't really know if QFT would change this interpretation), the space that it occupies is the space that it has non-zero probability of occupying during the given time frame. Therefore a particle confined to a certain space has an uncertainty in position of ΔX and therefore the possible wavelengths will have range of [itex]\ \Delta\lambda\geq 4\pi*\Delta X[/itex] (DO NOT QUOTE THIS! I did it quick in my head and very well may have made a mistake but the idea is all that matters). In that way, the uncertainty does relate the space in which a particle exists and the possible wavelength. This is the best "answer" I can think of for your question.
 
This explanation is great. Thank you. I searched a bit more on the internet to find other reasonable solution to the author's claim, but couldn't find anything which could cover his sentence.

Still I would like to ask the author what properties of QM he had in mind when he was writing this on Wikipedia. But unfortunately, its not possible to contact the author as far as I know.
 

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