Quadratic Equations: Homework on Non-Real Roots

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a quadratic equation involving real numbers and conditions for non-real roots. The original poster presents a problem concerning the nature of two quadratic functions derived from the equation and asks which of several statements about their positivity or negativity holds true.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants analyze the discriminants of the quadratic functions P(x) and Q(x) to determine their signs based on the condition of non-real roots of the original equation. There is exploration of the implications of the product of the discriminants being less than zero.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning the implications of the discriminants' signs and discussing the validity of the answer choices. There is no explicit consensus yet, as some participants are reconsidering their interpretations of the conditions presented.

Contextual Notes

There is a focus on the implications of the discriminants being negative or positive, and how this relates to the nature of the roots of the quadratic functions. Participants are also navigating the complexity of the problem without a clear resolution at this stage.

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Homework Statement


Let a,b,c be real numbers with a>0 such that the quadratic equation ##ax^2+bcx+b^3+c^3-4abc=0## has non real roots. Let ##P(x)=ax^2+bx+c## and ##Q(x)=ax^2+cx+b##. Which of the following is true?
a) ##P(x)>0 \forall x \in R## and ##Q(x)<0 \forall x \in R##
b) ##P(x)<0 \forall x \in R## and ##Q(x)>0 \forall x \in R##
c) neither ##P(x)>0 \forall x \in R## nor ##Q(x)>0 \forall x \in R##
d) exactly one of P(x) or Q(x) is positive for all real x.

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The Attempt at a Solution


The first equation has non real roots which its discriminant is less than zero.
b^2c^2-4a(b^3+c^3-4abc&lt;0
\Rightarrow b^2c^2-4ab^3-4ac^3+16a^2bc&lt;0
\Rightarrow b^2(c^2-4ab)-4ac(c^2-4ab)&lt;0
\Rightarrow (b^2-4ac)(c^2-4ab)&lt;0

##b^2-4ac## is the discriminant of P(x) and ##c^2-4ab## is the discriminant for Q(x) and both the discriminants are less than which means both P(x) and Q(x) are greater than zero for all ##x \in R##.

But there is no option which matches my conclusion.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks!
 
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Pranav-Arora said:

Homework Statement


Let a,b,c be real numbers with a>0 such that the quadratic equation ##ax^2+bcx+b^3+c^3-4abc=0## has non real roots. Let ##P(x)=ax^2+bx+c## and ##Q(x)=ax^2+cx+b##. Which of the following is true?
a) ##P(x)>0 \forall x \in R## and ##Q(x)<0 \forall x \in R##
b) ##P(x)<0 \forall x \in R## and ##Q(x)>0 \forall x \in R##
c) neither ##P(x)>0 \forall x \in R## nor ##Q(x)>0 \forall x \in R##
d) exactly one of P(x) or Q(x) is positive for all real x.

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The Attempt at a Solution


The first equation has non real roots which its discriminant is less than zero.
b^2c^2-4a(b^3+c^3-4abc&lt;0
\Rightarrow b^2c^2-4ab^3-4ac^3+16a^2bc&lt;0
\Rightarrow b^2(c^2-4ab)-4ac(c^2-4ab)&lt;0
\Rightarrow (b^2-4ac)(c^2-4ab)&lt;0

##b^2-4ac## is the discriminant of P(x) and ##c^2-4ab## is the discriminant for Q(x) and both the discriminants are less than which means both P(x) and Q(x) are greater than zero for all ##x \in R##.
##(b^2-4ac)(c^2-4ab)<0## means that one of the discriminants is negative, and the other is positive.
 
jbunniii said:
##(b^2-4ac)(c^2-4ab)<0## means that one of the discriminants is negative, and the other is positive.

Oh yes, thanks! :smile:

This means that the answer is c?
 
Pranav-Arora said:
Oh yes, thanks! :smile:

This means that the answer is c?
If one of the discriminants is positive, that means the corresponding quadratic has real roots, right? So it can't be c.
 
jbunniii said:
If one of the discriminants is positive, that means the corresponding quadratic has real roots, right? So it can't be c.

Woops, I meant d, I switched the options in my mind. :redface:
 
Pranav-Arora said:
Woops, I meant d, I switched the options in my mind. :redface:
At least it wasn't an exam! :biggrin:
 

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