Quadratic term's relationships

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The discussion revolves around the relationships between the coefficients of a quadratic equation, specifically focusing on the implications of the coefficients of the terms in the context of parabolas. Participants explore how the coefficients affect the shape, centerline, and intercepts of the parabola, as well as connections to kinematic equations.

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  • One participant notes that the coefficient of ##x^2## modifies the "zoom" of the parabola and determines its orientation (upward or downward).
  • Another participant explains that the coefficient of the x term influences the centerline of the parabola, suggesting that the centerline is related to the coefficient of the x term and the coefficient of ##x^2##.
  • A mathematical transformation is presented, showing how the quadratic can be rewritten in vertex form, indicating a translation of the parabola.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of understanding the general and standard forms of a parabola, noting that completing the square is a method to convert between these forms.
  • A kinematic perspective is introduced, relating the quadratic equation to motion, where the coefficients represent physical quantities like acceleration and initial velocity, and the centerline corresponds to when the velocity is zero.

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Participants express various interpretations of the relationships between the coefficients and the properties of the parabola. There is no consensus on a singular explanation, and multiple viewpoints are presented without resolution.

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Some participants' claims depend on specific interpretations of the coefficients and their relationships, which may not be universally accepted. The discussion includes transformations and physical analogies that may require further clarification or assumptions.

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I know everyone here must know this but it is a new revelation to me and very interesting. But I have a question about the reason behind the following...

Take ##x^2+10x+10## for example.

Any coefficient of ##x^2## modifies the "zoom" of the parabola, for lack of a better word, and determines whether it is a "up" parabola or "down" parabola.

The x term and it's coefficient determines the center of the parabola. The center is always 1/2 of the inverse of the coefficient. For example 10x results in a centerline of -5.

The constant gives the y intercept.

The x2 coefficient is related to the x coefficient in this respect...the parabola centerline at x will always be 1/2 of inverse of the x coefficient divided by the coefficient of the ##x^2## coefficient!

For example...

##2x^2 + 60x + 20## results in...

1. a y intercept of 20
2. a parabola centerline of ##( (+60/2)*-1) / 2 ## or -15

I'm trying to understand why this should be. Why or how does the ##x^2## coefficient of 2 have any relationship with the x coefficient of 60 such that the two together determine the parabola centerline?

Any insights would be appreciated.

Thanks,
tex
 
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$$
y=2x^2 + 60x + 20 = 2(x^2+30x+225)+20-450 = 2(x+15)^2-430$$
This is a parabola resulting from a translation of a centered parabola ##y=2x^2## to the left by 15 and then down by 430.
 
Perhaps most simply:

##2x^2 + 60x + 20 = 2(x^2 +30x + 10)##

This graph on the left is twice the height of the graph on the right at every point. So, it has a different shape, twice the y intercept but the same centre line.

I mean of course twice the function in the brackets on the right!
 
blue_leaf77 said:
$$
y=2x^2 + 60x + 20 = 2(x^2+30x+225)+20-450 = 2(x+15)^2-430$$
This is a parabola resulting from a translation of a centered parabola ##y=2x^2## to the left by 15 and then down by 430.
Understanding the general form and the standard form for the equation of a parabola is very important and useful. The process of Completing the Square is how you change from the general form to the standard form. The standard form equation is easier to graph.
 
Here's a kinematic way to think about things:

##y=\frac{1}{2}a_0t^2+v_0t+y_0,##
where ##a_0## is the [initial and constant] acceleration, ##v_0## is the initial velocity (##v## when ##t=0##), and ##y_0## is the initial position.

On a position-vs-time graph,
##y_0## is the y-intercept (where ##t=0##)
##v_0## is the slope at the y-intercept (based on the derivative taken below).

The centerline occurs when the slope of the graph is zero.
Physically, that is when the velocity is zero.
By taking the derivative with respect to time, we obtain the velocity function
##v\equiv\frac{dy}{dt}=a_0t+v_0##
and asking for the value of ##t## that makes this zero is: ##t_{when\ v=0}=-\frac{v_0}{a_0}##.

Based on your example, ##y=2t^2 + 60t + 20##
##a_0=4## and ##v_0=60##
so ##t_{when\ v=0}=-\frac{60}{4}=-15##.
 

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