Quantization of Color: Electrons Jump Between Orbits

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of color and its potential quantization, particularly in relation to the behavior of electrons in different environments, such as incandescent light bulbs and atomic transitions. Participants explore the definitions of color from both physical and biological perspectives, as well as the implications of these definitions on the understanding of light generation.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that color is associated with specific frequencies, suggesting that it is not quantized in the same way as atomic transitions.
  • Others argue that while atomic transitions can produce specific colors, light can also be generated through other means, such as thermal emissions from incandescent bulbs, which produce a continuous spectrum.
  • A participant notes the distinction between the physicist's and biologist's definitions of color, highlighting the observer-independent reality versus the perception-based approach.
  • One participant expresses confusion about how light is produced in different contexts, particularly in incandescent bulbs, and seeks clarification on the role of electrons in this process.
  • Another participant explains that in incandescent bulbs, electrons are not isolated and can access a range of energy states, leading to a thermal distribution of emitted light rather than specific quantized energies.
  • There is a question raised about whether color itself can be considered quantized, indicating ongoing uncertainty in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether color is quantized. Multiple competing views remain regarding the definitions and implications of color in relation to light generation and perception.

Contextual Notes

Limitations in the discussion include the varying definitions of color, the dependence on specific contexts (physical versus biological), and the unresolved nature of how different light sources produce color.

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Is there any paper on the quantization of color? Maybe not since it’s obvious. I always thought that color was on a continuum. But now I realize that electrons jump between a limited set of orbits.
 
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thenewmans said:
Is there any paper on the quantization of color? Maybe not since it’s obvious. I always thought that color was on a continuum. But now I realize that electrons jump between a limited set of orbits.

This is wrong. "Color" implies a particular frequency. You can generate ANY range of EM frequency, in principle! Atomic transition isn't the only way to generate light. Do you think your incandescent light bulb generate light because of some atomic transition? Try passing that light through a diffraction grating and see how that differs from, say, a discharge tube.

Zz.
 
ZapperZ said:
This is wrong. "Color" implies a particular frequency. You can generate ANY range of EM frequency, in principle! Atomic transition isn't the only way to generate light. Do you think your incandescent light bulb generate light because of some atomic transition? Try passing that light through a diffraction grating and see how that differs from, say, a discharge tube.

Zz.
Well, you're talking about blending colours though. Seems the poster would want to understand pure, single-frequency colours.
 
DaveC426913 said:
Well, you're talking about blending colours though. Seems the poster would want to understand pure, single-frequency colours.

Not from the way I read the post. Color isn't "quantized", the same way EM wavelength/frequency isn't "quantized". A continuous spectrum from an ordinary light bulb solves that.

Zz.
 
Color is a very difficult subject anyway, because the term gets used in two related but very different ways. Physicists tend to equate color with frequency, because we always want to deal with observer-independent reality. Biologists, on the other hand, are more interested in the observer themself, so color for a biologist might deal more with rods and cones and the detection and perception of color. For example, if one uses the former definition, the color of the Sun is greenish-yellow, but if one uses the latter definition, the color of the Sun is definitively white. But I agree with ZapperZ that the OP seems to confuse quantization of light emitted by specific isolated atoms with general rules about color, whether they be the physical or the biological flavor.
 
Well you're right. I'm the OP and I did not know that light was produced another way. So how does a light bulb produce light? I thought the EM waves in the electricity razed the orbit of the electrons and they emitted light as they returned to their correct state.
 
You are correct, it is hot electrons that emit the light from an incandescent bulb. But, the electrons are not in isolated atoms, they are in an environment of other nearby atoms, and this alters the kinds of energies that the electrons are allowed to have. The details depend on the type of solid, but if you can assume that enough complicated things are happening to the electrons, you can assume that they find access to all possible energy states, and then the most probable distribution over those energies is called a "thermal distribution". Electrons in a thermal distribution emit what is called a "Planck distribution" of light, not light at specific energies like the way isolated atoms do. The quantization you encounter in the former case is not in the allowed energies, but rather in the photons-- a photon is a "quantum" of light energy, but it can have any energy over the Planck distribution.
 
Hi guys..do you want to say color is not quantised
 

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