Quantization of electromagnetic field

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The discussion revolves around the quantization of the electromagnetic field, specifically debating whether to quantize the vector potential A^μ or the electric (E) and magnetic (B) fields directly. The scope includes theoretical considerations and technical explanations related to canonical variables in electrodynamics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that quantizing the E and B fields directly is possible, suggesting that the Hamiltonian can be expressed in terms of these fields.
  • Others argue that while the Hamiltonian can be written in terms of E and B, it is essentially a shorthand for a formulation involving the vector potential A, which is necessary for quantization.
  • It is noted that E and B are not canonical conjugate variables, as the dynamics cannot be expressed solely in terms of them.
  • A participant elaborates on the definition of canonical momentum in the context of electrodynamics, indicating that the fundamental variable is A, with E being the canonical conjugate momentum.
  • Further, it is mentioned that E and B do not couple directly to currents, which is a critical aspect of classical electrodynamics that relies on the vector potential A.
  • Concerns are raised about the missing time derivative in A°(x), which leads to it being treated as a Lagrangian multiplier rather than a dynamical field, linking this issue to gauge symmetry.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of quantizing E and B versus A, with no consensus reached on the best approach to quantization in this context.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the definitions of canonical variables and the role of gauge symmetry in the quantization process, without resolving these complexities.

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Instead of quantizing the vector potential A^μ why we do not directly quantize the B and E fields in electrodynamics.
 
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You can. The field Hamiltonian can be written as an integral of E2 + B2 (probably with some constants that I'm missing). Expand E and B in terms of Fourier modes and you'll end up with the Hamiltonian of the harmonic oscillator. Quantization follows.
 
Yes, the Hamiltonian is H = ½ ∫ (E2 + B2) d3x, but this is only a shorthand for the same expression written out in terms of A:

H = ½ ∫ (A·2 + (∇ x A)2) d3x

You still have to quantize using the canonical variables A and E ≡ A·.
 
Bill_K said:
You still have to quantize using the canonical variables A and E ≡ A·.
That's exactly the point.

Quantizing means to identify fundamental variables and to promote a classical Poisson bracket for canonical conjugate variables to a commutator. E and B are not canonical conjugate; it is not possible to express the (classical) dynamics using E and B.
 
Thanks a lot for the answer and useful comments. But can somebody explain to me why E and B are not canonically conjugate variables?
 
mritunjay said:
... can somebody explain to me why E and B are not canonically conjugate variables?
Let's look at some action S in terms of some variables x, y, ... and their time derivatives dx/dt, dy/dt, ...

The definition of the canonical momentum is always

p_x = \frac{\delta S}{\delta \dot{x}}

We then have the classical Poisson brackets

\{x,p_x\} = 1

In case of electrodynamics the fundamental variable x is replaced by A(x); x is something like a "continuous index". That means that the canonical momentum is defined by

P^i(x) = \frac{\delta S}{\delta \dot{A}^i(x)}

where i=1..3 is the i-th spatial direction.

Using the Lagrangian of electrodynamics one can show that P(x) corresponds to the electromagnetic field E(x). B(x) can be expressed in terms of A(x) w/o any time derivative, i.e .w/o using the canoncal conjugate momentum, so the fundamental variable is A(x) and the canonical conjugate momentum is E(x).

In addition E and B are not sufficient to define classical electrodynamics. The problem is that neither E nor B couple directly to the currents, but A does. The coupling term is

A_\mu j^\mu

which cannot be formulated using only E and B.

Note that there is one problem, namely the missing time derivative in A°(x) and therefore the missing canonical conjugate momentum which makes A°(x) a Lagrangian multiplier (instead of a dynamical field) generating the time-independent Gauss constraint. This fact is closely related to gauge symmetry.
 
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