Quantum Coherence - matter or energy?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of quantum coherence, particularly exploring whether it can be understood in terms of both structural order of particles and phase coherence of their wave functions. Participants are examining the implications of wave-particle duality in this context.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether coherence can be described as both "structural order" of particles and "phase coherence" of their energy waves, suggesting a dual interpretation.
  • Another participant provides a classical analogy of coherence, explaining that coherent waves interfere constructively and can be defined by shared properties like frequency and phase.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the relationship between wave coherence and particle structure, seeking clarification on whether quantum coherence can be defined solely by a single wave function.
  • There is a discussion about the validity of describing quantum coherence in terms of particle coherence, with a participant noting the challenge of conveying these concepts to a general audience.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the interpretation of quantum coherence, with multiple competing views on how to conceptualize the relationship between wave and particle aspects.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding quantum coherence and its implications, indicating potential limitations in their definitions and interpretations. The discussion reflects a mix of classical and quantum perspectives without resolving the complexities involved.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals seeking to understand the nuances of quantum coherence, particularly those with a background in physics or a keen interest in the conceptual challenges of quantum mechanics.

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I'm not a physicist, and am trying to better understand quantum coherence. I understand that it's defined by the fact that the entire quantum system can be defined by a single wave function. My question is whether, due to wave-particle duality on the quantum level, it is equally valid to speak (in layman's terms) of coherence as a "structural order" as much as "phase coherence"? In other words, is it equally correct to say that electron particles of a system are physically aligned as it is to say that their energy waves are in-phase?
 
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Do you understand, first of all, the meaning of "coherence" as used in physics?

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As a non-scientist, I'd have to say only in the most basic way (and you might disagree even with that). Here's my understanding:

On a classical level, two waves (e.g. water waves) are coherent if they propagate through the water with the same frequency, amplitude, and time phase. Two such waves generated from the same point in spacetime will act as one wave with twice the amplitude. They interfere constructively rather than destructively. (I also know there are different kinds of classical coherence - spatial, temporal, spectral, etc. - but I'm not interested in that.)

On a quantum level, wave properties are defined by their wavefunctions, which indicate the probability of different variables under different constraints. Quantum coherence, as I understand it, means two or more particles, say electrons, that are in-phase, and can be defined by a single wavefunction. (I don't really have a clear visual sense of what that means though; if you can give me one, I'd appreciate it much.) Macroscopic quantum coherence leads to special phenomena like laser light, superconductivity, and superfluidity. Like classical waves, quantum waves constructively interfere, increasing each other's strength.

I'm not sure if that's all exactly right, but where I'm less clear is about how quantum wave-particle duality fits in with coherence. I understand coherence in terms of waves; what I want to know is whether it's equally valid to speak in terms of particle coherence, and if so, how to describe it (in simple lay terms). (I know that in QM you can't really distinguish between particle and wave, because everything is both, but I wonder if there's any validity at all to describing it in physical terms to a general audience that can't as easily grasp the wave side of it.)
 
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I'm still trying to understand the relation (if any) between particle structure and wave coherence in the phenomenon of quantum coherence. Is my definition of quantum coherence - that a quantum system can be defined by a single wave function - correct? If anyone can give me a clearer picture of what that means, I'd appreciate it.

If it is correct, since wavefunction defines particle states (such as position, etc.) as much as it does wave states, is it equally valid to describe quantum coherence, in lay terms, as a physical order as much as a wave phase order?
 

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