Quantum Communications: Emergency Calls & Mars-Earth Connectivity

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The discussion revolves around the concept of quantum communications, particularly the idea of "counterfactual" communication through entanglement, as it pertains to science fiction scenarios involving emergency calls and connectivity between Earth and Mars. Participants explore theoretical implications, narrative portrayals, and technical feasibility within a fictional context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests portraying counterfactual communication as a method limited to emergency calls, questioning the feasibility of a particle pair generator between Earth and Mars for critical messages.
  • Another participant references a fictional interpretation from "Singularity Sky," where entangled q-bits allow for instantaneous communication but are destroyed upon use, raising concerns about bandwidth limitations.
  • A question is posed about the practicality of maintaining entanglement over the distances between Earth and Mars, specifically whether simply radiating particles is sufficient or if they need to be packaged.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the premise of faster-than-light (FTL) communication, noting that entangled states are fragile and questioning the implications for the story's communication system.
  • Another participant proposes a method for interplanetary communication using a micro-probe with entangled particles, suggesting a particle beam satellite could facilitate the transfer between planets.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility and implications of quantum communication methods, particularly regarding the preservation of entanglement over long distances and the concept of FTL communication. No consensus is reached on these points.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations related to the fragility of entangled states and the challenges of maintaining entanglement over interplanetary distances. The discussion remains speculative and rooted in fictional scenarios.

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Readers interested in science fiction writing, quantum communication concepts, and theoretical discussions on entanglement may find this discussion relevant.

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Lets suppose for SF story purposes, that the article is right that claims direct "counterfactual" communication through entanglement became possible, without classical communication channel.
How should i portray that option? If information sent by detecting when, in which phase coherence is broken, coherence still broken, no more messages with that entangled pair.
Should it be only used for emergency call? Should they build a big particle pair generator between Earth and Mars to achieve a narrow bandwith for most important messages that should delivered instantly? But most communications still done by radio.
 
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One of the most interesting fictional interpretations of entanglement communication I can think of is from Singularity Sky (and its sequel). In the book entangled q-bits allow for instantaneous communication but upon use are destroyed. Agents and organisations with chips of them have a diminishing amount of bandwidth, once it's all gone they have to get more. Additionally FTL travel broke the entanglement so chips carrying a few petabytes have to be sent by laser driven starwisp years in advance.
 
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Wouldn't the whole premise of FTL communications mean such a receiver of the same intelligence be at the other end? How would this happen with the distances involved. Great for SF but nothing else unless in our time line or near space, ie our solar system.
 
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What article?

One of the most interesting fictional interpretations of entanglement communication I can think of is from Singularity Sky (and its sequel). In the book entangled q-bits allow for instantaneous communication but upon use are destroyed. Agents and organisations with chips of them have a diminishing amount of bandwidth, once it's all gone they have to get more. Additionally FTL travel broke the entanglement so chips carrying a few petabytes have to be sent by laser driven starwisp years in advance.

That article :
https://phys.org/news/2017-05-counterfactual-quantum.html
https://www.sciencealert.com/scient...tual-quantum-communication-for-the-first-time
http://www.pnas.org/content/114/19/4920.abstract

That Singularity Sky looks interesting, i thought something similar.

Well, my other question, if they put an entangled particle generator between Mars and Earth, is there any reasonable chance, that the particles remain entangled when they reach Earth and Mars? (simply radiate them can be enough? or has to pack them?)
 
Ok. I don't fully follow them but I don't think they've overturned the idea that information can't be transmitted faster than light. Isn't that what you're aiming for here? An FTL communication system for your SF story?

I think entangled states are fragile though I'm not 100% sure. Packaging isn't a problem though if you're OK with the idea of interplanetary particle beams. Just pack a small chip carrying terrabytes of entangled particles into a few hundred gram micro-probe with a mag/light sail. A particle beam satellite on Earth pushes it on a continual brachistochrone trajectory to Mars, half way its decelerated and captured by a Martian satellite.
 
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